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Post by petagay77 on Jan 23, 2011 17:26:30 GMT -5
AGAIN ....
this is getting out of hand .. its really starting to sound like ppl are making up crap to make Coach Martin look like a bad guy. This is absolutely ridiculous!
The man is clearly busting his behind and is a bit frustrated because player are NOT EXECUTING ... (the ball is in the players hands, they have the CHOICE during a play to make an POSITIVE PLAY) .. THEY ARE YOUNG BUT NEED TO STEP/MAN UP AND PLAY BALL AND STOP BEING SO DANG EMOTIONAL.
I KNOW AND SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE PLAYERS AND IM DEF *NOT* HEARING ANY OF THIS CRAP.
(SHAKE MY DAMN HEAD @ THE IGNORANT PPL ON THIS BOARD)
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 23, 2011 17:58:17 GMT -5
THIS MAN IS FAILING PERIOD - I DONT CARE HOW HARD HE IS TRYING IT ISNT WORKING.
NOT EXECUTE? YEAH THEY ARE NOT HITTING THOSE SHOTS THAT ARE 6FT BEYOND THE 3PT LINE BECAUSE THE PLAY CALLING DOESNT GET THEM GOOD LOOKS AT THE BASKETBALL - THEY ARENT DENYING THE INBOUND BECAUSE THE COACH HASNT TOLD THEM TO, THEY ARE NOT EXECUTING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BE UTILIZED OR COACHED CORRECTLY.
AND YES I DONT BELIEVE THAT HE IS A BAD GUY AND SOME OF THE STUFF BEING SAID IS HARD TO SWALLOW - BUT THE PART THAT THE COACHES ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT COMING OUT TOGETHER THAT IS VERY VERY WORRY SOME.
i did caps because petagay seems to like it better - not sure maybe it is poor eye site
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Post by redfoxes4life on Jan 23, 2011 22:37:43 GMT -5
This may have been beaten to death already, but hoopfan, that post is just disgraceful. If the players weren't getting any meal money, then why wouldn't they all just leave immediately? Not being fed is abuse and allegations such as that are just completely uncalled for. All of the players could have left at the end of last semester, but all (with the exception of Rob Johnson, who left because of playing time issues and not food issues) chose to stay and play for Martin here. If I was a player and wasn't getting my money to go out and get my food, I would've been outta there quicker than you can say "Marist." I know I'm not the most respected individual here (since I just started posting about a month ago), but I'm sure I speak for all of us when we say there is no room for such allegations whether or not you are for or against Martin. Such things make him sound like the 5th grade bully beating up on all the nerdy kids and taking their lunch money. That accusation is just ridiculous!
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2011 9:22:38 GMT -5
Petagay:
Nomar is RIGHT. The students are not learning the subject matter. This is not for a lack of trying on the part of the students or the teacher(s). It is because the teacher(s) are not very good teacher(s). The students are learning but, it seems, on their own with little help from the teacher(s). If the teacher does a poor job presenting the material how in the world can the student pass the test. I have never questioned anyones will or effort. It's simply a matter of the teacher should not be allowed to continue before all the students leave the school to learn hoops somewhere else.
hoopfans your allegation is ludicrous, unbelievable, malicious and wrong!
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Post by petagay77 on Jan 24, 2011 13:33:22 GMT -5
OK .. I DONT EXACTLY AGREE WITH THAT POINT OF VIEW, EXACTLY ... BUT UNDERSTAND THE NOTION.
DONT EVER THINK IM MAKING EXCUSED FOR FOR THEM .. MY BELIEVE IS WHEN REBULDING A PROGRAM, THERE WILL BE BRUTAL MOMENTS THROUGH THE PROCESS ... (IVE BEEN PISSED OFF AND HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED THRU THIS PROCESS AS WELL BUT ITS A WORKING PROGRESS ) IT IS WHAT IT IS ...
HOWEVER, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY .. PARENTS ARE ALWAYS TELLING THEIR CHILDREN THE WAY TO LIVE AND FOLLOW A PRODUCTIVE LIFE .. GIVING ADVISE, MOTIVATING AND SUPPORTING THEM THRU THE PROCESS ... MANY TIMES THE KIDS DONT EXECUTE THAT ADVISE/ PLAN EXACTLY BECAUSE ITS UP TO THAT KID TO MAKE THE RIGHT "CHOICE". CHILDREN SOMETIMES DONT MAKE THE BEST DECISION IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT ..
BUT AS THEY GET OLDER AND MORE EXPERIENCED THE LIGHT COME ON AND THE EXECUTE THE ADVICE PROPERLY AND MAKE BETTER DECISIONS ... MAKING THEIR PARENTS AND FAMILY PROUD.
*COACHES= PARENTS ... FANS = FAMILY*
OUR TEAM IS YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCE, RAN BY TALENTED FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES ... i BELIEVE THEY WILL PRODUCE WITH A LITTLE MORE TIME.
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2011 13:47:05 GMT -5
"OUR TEAM IS YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCE, RAN BY TALENTED FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES ... i BELIEVE THEY WILL PRODUCE WITH A LITTLE MORE TIME. "
I think most on this board agree with this statement. But they need a new coach to " get over the hump". There are some people who were not cut out to be parents. But have kids anyway. Kids can't change parents but Marist can change coaches.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Jan 24, 2011 13:49:02 GMT -5
i BELIEVE THEY WILL PRODUCE WITH A LITTLE MORE TIME. The time is next year. I would not lose sleep if CM is not brought back after this season (assuming there is not a big turnaround). BUT if he comes back I'm willing to give him one more shot next year because next year is what he's been waiting for It's a MUST win season because of what the league will be. A number of good seniors leaving...outside of Iona a very weak junior class this year (next years seniors). Next year CM and Marist will be on a 100% even playing field with the league, no excuses. I alluded to it earlier but I will put together the league rosters for next year after this year is complete and I don't think anyone will be able to argue that anything less than a top 5 finish will be a failure.
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Post by petagay77 on Jan 24, 2011 15:09:52 GMT -5
RF5 I totally AGREE ..
KEN, BEING A PARENT IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE AS WELL AND MOST TIMES YOU HAVE TO GIVE SOME "TOUGH LOVE" TO GET YOU POINT ACROSS .. (if your a parent you def understand that ... ) AND OF COURSE IT AN ANALOGY ... (PARENTING TO COACHING) SIMILAR IN MANY WAY THO.
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2011 15:23:42 GMT -5
Sticking with your analogy. When parents do not agree on much and fight in front of the kids it is usually a bad sign. Many times thing can be worked out in therapy but many times the relationship ends up in divorce and the ones who are the most hurt by it are the kids. These kids will be asking themselves what could I have done differently. But in the end they move on with their respective lives. Some more deeply wounded than others. The kids learn to deal with the new adult figure in their life and continue to grow.
Our coaches fight during games, I can only wonder what it's like when they are not being observed by hundreds of their "friends" and the NY Metro TV audience. These young men are trying really hard to keep the parents in the picture but I think the relationship is irreparably harmed.
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2011 15:26:01 GMT -5
And some parents stay together "for the kids" and everyone is miserable until the split finally happens.
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 24, 2011 15:26:24 GMT -5
Martin is gonna be out at year end. If he is not when we start off 2-12 next year we will have seen the light too late and our Sophs will have their entire basketball career ruined.
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Post by petagay77 on Jan 24, 2011 15:54:52 GMT -5
GOOD POINT. (BUT REALLY KEN, A DISAGREEMENT MEANS COMPLETE TURMOIL) IM SURE YOU UNDERSTAND MY OVERALL POINT THO ... THANKS ... WELL AT LEAST YOU DID 5 DAYS AGO. ;-)
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH PPL/ AMERICA THESE DAYS .. WHEN THINGS GO BAD THEY RUN! ... "GREAT" ... INSTEAD OF WORKING IT OUT AND GETTING OVER THEIR SELFISHNESS.
NOMAR, IM GLAD YOU CAN READ THE FUTURE! IMPRESSIVE ...
WHAT WILL YOU GET FOR CHRISTMAS IN DECEMBER???
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 24, 2011 16:08:34 GMT -5
Thanks - hopefully a new coach.
The fact that you are watching the same games we are and still think we have the right coach, the fact that you think a 4 win season (heck let give us 2 more wins this year) will turn around into 14-15 wins next year is truly amazing - thats what HAS to happen if these guys are gonna be 22/23 wins by senior year and going after a MAAC title. But if your goal is say a .500 year in year out then we do probably have the right guy.
You expect so little it amazes me and you are neither proactive nor reactive - your nothing just sit and wait with fingers crossed. There is NOTHING and mean NOTHING that has shown me he can coach. Come on dazzle me with what you think has has done to improve these kids, our program? Rusin is worse then he was last year, Hall is awful and apparently can't do the school work, Bauer isn't playing, Johnson is gone, everyone else is inconsistent.
You act like someone will wave a magic wand in 6 months and these kids are gonna gel in the same system they are failing in right now.
You see these kids put up some points in a game and you say hey we got talent it is just a matter of time - not true in the wrong system
Here is a team with promise:
A. Gonzalez - FG% .410 3pt% .413 FT .830 - 21.6ppg M. Austin FG% .421 3pt does take them FT .909 12.9pp 3- other players scoring 8ppg
These guys are gonna get it and will be good because the numbers are there - NOPE they are Houston Baptist worst RPI in nation.
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Post by petagay77 on Jan 24, 2011 16:55:46 GMT -5
AGAIN, NOMAR YOU DONT GET TIRED OF SAYIN THE SAME SHIT EVERY DAY .. THIS ISNT ABOUT ME .... OR YOU .. GET OVER YOUR SELF. EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS/ VIEW POINTS ...
BTW .. WE DONT CARE ABOUT HOUSTON BAPTIST .. THIS IS A MARIST FORUM
OH YEAAH, SINCE YOU CAN TELL THE FUTURE AND HAS ALL THE ANSWERS .. WHO'S GONNA BE RECRUITED IN ROB JOHNSON PLACE???
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 24, 2011 17:02:09 GMT -5
AGAIN PETAGAY YOU SHOW YOUR SELF TO BE SHORTSIGHTEDED AND EASILY THE STUPIDEST PERSON ON THIS BOARD. YOU HAVE ZERO CLUE NONE YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT BY CAPITALIZING YOUR POST THEY WILL STAND OUT BUT THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS OUT IS YOUR STUPIDITY. YOU SUPPORT NOTHING YOU SAY NOTHING AND IT IS OBVIOUS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL OR TEAM SPORTS. YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO CALL MY NAME BRING IT ON IN SIX MONTHS IT WILL BE OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE A BIGGER IDIOT THEN IS COMMONLY KNOWN
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