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Post by champ529 on Mar 15, 2022 8:38:59 GMT -5
Good points nomar33..I just wonder if Coaches style is still effective with today's players ala Tom Coughlin of the Giants. Oh, and Yeah, there is no doubt an entitled attitude coming from the players.Thanks for the reply! One thing I’ll say to this - Giorgis’s style is really not that tough. He is not really a yeller, doesn’t make people run, and never curses. I would say he’s rather tame by basketball coach standards. The assistants pretty much All play the role of “good cop” too. It’s really not this wildly intense environment. In my opinion, the notion that this generation is too soft or can’t handle hard coaching is overblown. Just like any other time, some people respond well to a style of coaching, others might not. I’m happy to concede that these recent recruiting classes haven’t been a good fit for the program, I just don’t think it’s a generational thing
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Post by tlippy15 on Mar 15, 2022 8:51:01 GMT -5
The transfer portal will blow up in the coming weeks - of course the portal is useless if we don't have scholarships.... My running candidates: (They must be someone we previously recruited, or are from NE, and not averaging 27 ppg from UConn) Bold are ones I think we could realistically get. Bold Red are new as I updateJala Jordan 6'2" (Auburn) Grad from Philadelphia - 6.4 ppg 3.9ppg
Aja Blount 5'11" (Coastal Carolina) Sr from PA - averaging 20 ppg
Miksyla Markham 5'7" (Columbia) Grad from NJ - 6.7ppg in 2020 also shot .481 from 3 (dropped dramatically this year but she has shown she can hit 3 )
Tess Sussman 5'11" (Harvard) Grad from MA - 8.9 ppg, shoots 3 @ .333 - we went after her in HS
Klark Sconiers 6'2" (Minnesota) JR from Queens NY - didn't get much PT this year but pre pandemic averaged 6.7 ppg
Abby Meyers 6'0" (Princeton) Grad MD 17.7ppg
Gabby Smalls 6'2" (St. Joe's) Soph. from NJ - 7.3 ppg
Kae Satterfield 6'0" (Xavier/OSU) Soph. from NY,NY
Abby Streeter 5'11" (Hartford) Grad Nashua, NH made 78 of 187 three-pointers (41.7%); started her college career at Rhode Island
Erika Porter 6'3" (Illinois) Soph. from NJRiley Childs 6'0" (Boston University) Grad from MA Mia Lakstigala 5'11" (Penn) Grad from IL
Julia Fabozzi 6'1" (Providence) Soph NY
She’s from IL but Alyssa Geary is grad transferring from Providence. I’ve always been a fan of hers and she’s an athletic 6’4.
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 15, 2022 8:58:01 GMT -5
champ - the generational thing is just my opinion, it is just so different today.
I absolutely hate the participation trophy mentality that they instill at such a young age, my kids had so many trophies before they were 10 (I made them throw everyone out unless they actually won something to earn them, or if it was a most improved player type of award).
When I was coaching soccer, I actually had the league tell me I couldn't make the kids run laps (its freaking soccer you better be in damn good shape), at the National level soccer games I watch coaches make poor substitutions because EVERYONE had to play (I get that rule at a rec level but once you are playing top level PT is earned not given)
I watched players leave so many times when they felt they weren't playing a lot. (My daughter was recruited to play for a top team and she said NO this is my team for better or worse - was so proud)
Today AAU coaches are in everyone of these players ears telling them that things are better elsewhere, or that they are being mistreated where they are at, or they should be at a higher level - and these kids believe that. 1200 transfers - got to believe even a decade ago this number was 1/2 at best. Granted the NCAA made it so much easier for kids to jump ship and not follow through on commitments.
Look at Gabby Redden - we had some guy on this board screaming that Giorgis had no idea how to coach a girl like her, that she should be starting.... off to Wright St she goes and barely sees the floor at all for rest of career. I promise you she would have seen the minutes at Marist if she had stayed and worked
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 15, 2022 9:02:49 GMT -5
Jada Peebles (5-10 JR guard, Raleigh, NC) has entered her name into the portal, out of Illinois WBB; 7.0 PPG in 2021-22. The #1, #3, and #4 scorers for the Illini have all now entered the portal.
THIS is NOT a MARIST problem it is a universal problem
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Post by champ529 on Mar 15, 2022 9:34:03 GMT -5
champ - the generational thing is just my opinion, it is just so different today. I absolutely hate the participation trophy mentality that they instill at such a young age, my kids had so many trophies before they were 10 (I made them throw everyone out unless they actually won something to earn them, or if it was a most improved player type of award). When I was coaching soccer, I actually had the league tell me I couldn't make the kids run laps (its freaking soccer you better be in damn good shape), at the National level soccer games I watch coaches make poor substitutions because EVERYONE had to play (I get that rule at a rec level but once you are playing top level PT is earned not given) I watched players leave so many times when they felt they weren't playing a lot. (My daughter was recruited to play for a top team and she said NO this is my team for better or worse - was so proud) Today AAU coaches are in everyone of these players ears telling them that things are better elsewhere, or that they are being mistreated where they are at, or they should be at a higher level - and these kids believe that. 1200 transfers - got to believe even a decade ago this number was 1/2 at best. Granted the NCAA made it so much easier for kids to jump ship and not follow through on commitments. Look at Gabby Redden - we had some guy on this board screaming that Giorgis had no idea how to coach a girl like her, that she should be starting.... off to Wright St she goes and barely sees the floor at all for rest of career. I promise you she would have seen the minutes at Marist if she had stayed and worked I hear you. I think there are a lot of factors. I’m closer to this generation so I might have some biases - . I guess my point is Gabby came in with willow and Allie Best, two consummate members of the program. All the same generation. Willow and Allie (and the people around them) got it, Gabby not so much. I remember the gabby stuff, both on this board and on campus. She was a poor fit in almost every possible way. Are there entitled kids who have lunatics in their ears? Yes. I’m not sure if there are drastically more than there were 10, 15 or 20 years ago though
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Post by shooter on Mar 15, 2022 9:35:26 GMT -5
Illinois was terrible and their coach retired/soft fired. Those aren't Big Ten caliber players.
The Fabozzi kid from Providence had awful numbers, would be more of what we're losing - hard pass.
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 15, 2022 9:45:20 GMT -5
The portal has over 50 schools that have 3+ transfers listed (yes some are the grad transfers) but this is not unique to Marist, and we are just getting started those numbers will sky rocket in coming weeks
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Post by sweetlouredfoxfan on Mar 15, 2022 10:09:33 GMT -5
I by no means am close to aau or recruiting but I think it is so many things. Social media alone has changed people's mind sets. I am sure players get DM almost daily telling them grass is greener somewhere else. I also think parents tend to be less forcefull with kids and go with rumors of greener grass elsewhere. Not everyone's kid is next star. Very rare will you find a a bennon type of player who fought from getting no pt to playing mayor role senior year. You wish you could find more Kricks O'Conner Best Hannah hand. and many others. Hard to really know what is in someone's heart deep down. Are they even playing for love of it or just to be star. I see marist wwb from afar but from that view if you don't coach is special and created a family probaby stronger then most blood families you are nuts. I wonder if weiner did not transfer if this would not have happened. I am sure coach and staff are heartbroken but will somehow righy ship.
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Post by foxfanatic on Mar 15, 2022 10:28:56 GMT -5
Illinois was terrible and their coach retired/soft fired. Those aren't Big Ten caliber players. The Fabozzi kid from Providence had awful numbers, would be more of what we're losing - hard pass. Brazil Harvey-Carr averaged 0.8 and 0.8 at URI and then 12 and 6 this year. Fabozzi averaged 1.9 and 0.5. I wouldn't judge totally on numbers. She's coming from a higher conference and if Giorgis thinks she would be a good fit, then I'd add her
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Post by maristdb89 on Mar 15, 2022 12:04:23 GMT -5
champ - the generational thing is just my opinion, it is just so different today. I absolutely hate the participation trophy mentality that they instill at such a young age, my kids had so many trophies before they were 10 (I made them throw everyone out unless they actually won something to earn them, or if it was a most improved player type of award). When I was coaching soccer, I actually had the league tell me I couldn't make the kids run laps (its freaking soccer you better be in damn good shape), at the National level soccer games I watch coaches make poor substitutions because EVERYONE had to play (I get that rule at a rec level but once you are playing top level PT is earned not given) I watched players leave so many times when they felt they weren't playing a lot. (My daughter was recruited to play for a top team and she said NO this is my team for better or worse - was so proud) Today AAU coaches are in everyone of these players ears telling them that things are better elsewhere, or that they are being mistreated where they are at, or they should be at a higher level - and these kids believe that. 1200 transfers - got to believe even a decade ago this number was 1/2 at best. Granted the NCAA made it so much easier for kids to jump ship and not follow through on commitments. Look at Gabby Redden - we had some guy on this board screaming that Giorgis had no idea how to coach a girl like her, that she should be starting.... off to Wright St she goes and barely sees the floor at all for rest of career. I promise you she would have seen the minutes at Marist if she had stayed and worked I hear you. I think there are a lot of factors. I’m closer to this generation so I might have some biases - . I guess my point is Gabby came in with willow and Allie Best, two consummate members of the program. All the same generation. Willow and Allie (and the people around them) got it, Gabby not so much. I remember the gabby stuff, both on this board and on campus. She was a poor fit in almost every possible way. Are there entitled kids who have lunatics in their ears? Yes. I’m not sure if there are drastically more than there were 10, 15 or 20 years ago though +1 on Nomar's comments. The kids are different today. The impact of social media, along with the helicopter parents and false expectations is killing them. Add the evolution of the portal/"free agency" and coming player endorsements and it's very difficult for any coach. I've had the opportunity to coach some decent players (one at Texas who is going to eat Fairfield alive) and have had to really temper how I work with each player. It was not that way when I played.
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Post by foxfanatic on Mar 15, 2022 17:59:50 GMT -5
That one just doesn't make sense to me. About to be a senior, respected by staff and teammates, bit of a down year statistically but could ccertainly bounce back when healthy. I hope she changes her mind, personally. What don't you get? She Bailed on Marist and the program, period. Don't let the door hit her in the A**! I've been thinking about this one for a bit because I don't have the same feeling. To me the main difference with her vs Weimar and Blais is that I feel like Marist almost failed her. She made great strides into her sophomore year and they had a great culture last year. This year, there was not a great culture and the team was not successful. I know she cared when she was crying on the bench after the game (vs Canisuis i think?). The older cases, the team was successful and the culture was great and in both cases left blind sided: Weimar - right before camp and Blais - as a senior. I will wish TK the best at wherever she ends
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Post by homebody on Mar 15, 2022 20:56:17 GMT -5
Nomar,You hit the nail squarely on the head. I am sure that every opposing coach also knew that Fisher was going to pass to Zaria first. In addition you could see the look on the open players face when this happened. This situation did not produce a bunch of points as we had many missed layups. If this planned then the coaches missed team unity.
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 16, 2022 8:05:11 GMT -5
You might hate the guy or hate Alabama but IMO this is what we missed this season
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Post by tg28 on Mar 16, 2022 10:17:51 GMT -5
champ - the generational thing is just my opinion, it is just so different today. I absolutely hate the participation trophy mentality that they instill at such a young age, my kids had so many trophies before they were 10 (I made them throw everyone out unless they actually won something to earn them, or if it was a most improved player type of award). When I was coaching soccer, I actually had the league tell me I couldn't make the kids run laps (its freaking soccer you better be in damn good shape), at the National level soccer games I watch coaches make poor substitutions because EVERYONE had to play (I get that rule at a rec level but once you are playing top level PT is earned not given) I watched players leave so many times when they felt they weren't playing a lot. (My daughter was recruited to play for a top team and she said NO this is my team for better or worse - was so proud) Today AAU coaches are in everyone of these players ears telling them that things are better elsewhere, or that they are being mistreated where they are at, or they should be at a higher level - and these kids believe that. 1200 transfers - got to believe even a decade ago this number was 1/2 at best. Granted the NCAA made it so much easier for kids to jump ship and not follow through on commitments. Look at Gabby Redden - we had some guy on this board screaming that Giorgis had no idea how to coach a girl like her, that she should be starting.... off to Wright St she goes and barely sees the floor at all for rest of career. I promise you she would have seen the minutes at Marist if she had stayed and worked I will absolutely second what nomar has said. Not because he is my friend, but because my daughter says the exact same thing. She is currently a volunteer coach at her old high school, and sees the difference between the girls she played with, both in high school and at Marist and the ones coming up today. There was one young lady who worked her butt off and did everything my daughter asked her to do, and even though she didn't develop enough to become a D-1 player, she did get recruited to play at a D-III school and thanked my daughter for helping her improve. Others, not so much. She also said that not many of the girls she worked with would have been able to play for her high school coach, who demanded excellence and commitment to play for him. By the way, that coach was forced out about 6 years after my daughter played for him by the parent of a player who had substantial influence with the school. Why? Because his daughter didn't like the way the coach made them run, and yelled at them if they didn't give it their best effort.
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Post by shooter on Mar 16, 2022 19:57:52 GMT -5
Avery LaBarbera (PL Player of the Year at Holy Cross) will grad transfer - didn't Marist recruit her way back when? I know Canisius did.
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