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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 21, 2014 10:21:27 GMT -5
They need to bring in 2 veteran guys that can help the younger guys win next year. These kids keep getting pounded and they'll never develop. We're tough on Lewis sometimes but imagine if he played on another MAAC team with help?? Yeah I agree we shouldn't be tough on Lewis at all. We need about 4 more of him. No team is ever going to get a perfect recruit/player at this level. Sure, we'd all love to see him shoot better but his NBA caliber first step and supreme athleticism along with a scorers mentality and an improved ability to create for his teammates make him one of the best to ever play at this school. Fell terrible that he's only had 2 or 3 decent player to play next to his entire four years here. Here's hoping he gets to 100%. He clearly wasn't last night per his choice to convert a layup rather than a dunk on a wide open give and go in the second half and he lloked a bit hesitant when driving the lane.
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Post by oldfox on Dec 21, 2014 10:35:13 GMT -5
Maker's offense is great. But the brass needs to know winning is more about the Jimmys and the Joes than the xs and the os...I don't care if you're John Wooden. He was a great coach. But he had the best players who also happened to be fundamentally sound. You had me worried for a moment there Ggaff. I thought you might be making a Siena reference.
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Post by oldfox on Dec 21, 2014 10:47:58 GMT -5
Hey Yankee. I agree. Murray's done a great job with the school's academics. We're the idiots. Let's turn this into an academic forum. You're up Oldfox. What do you think of our professors for the upcoming semester? I love the guys they have for Investment Analysis.. lol What do you think? Well lets see. I know a couple of their adjuncts since they also teach where I work. Solid academics, can go to either their left or right with conviction. Coachable, team players. Not PL level or Ivy level skills, but solid MAAC starters. I would put them up against questionable academic credentials tolerated at Manhattan or all the nomadic types they hire at Iona. FF is our toughest matchup. The rest can't carry our calculator. As for those who suffered with me in their classrooms…they are either retired, or worse.
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Post by yankee on Dec 21, 2014 11:43:13 GMT -5
Hey Yankee. I agree. Murray's done a great job with the school's academics. We're the idiots. Let's turn this into an academic forum. You're up Oldfox. What do you think of our professors for the upcoming semester? I love the guys they have for Investment Analysis.. lol What do you think? Be as snarky as you want, obviously we want Marist to take on recruits that are more of a risk. However, the athletic program is doing great,, the school is improving its reputation, they are improving the campus all the time. If any of us think he is going to be canned or get admonished because the mens program has sucked, we are being ridiculously naïve. It isn't happening. And the AD has also led a very successful athletic program. Yes the mens program has sucked. Guess what, the AD does not stand for Mens basketball manager.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 21, 2014 11:55:39 GMT -5
Hey Yankee. I agree. Murray's done a great job with the school's academics. We're the idiots. Let's turn this into an academic forum. You're up Oldfox. What do you think of our professors for the upcoming semester? I love the guys they have for Investment Analysis.. lol What do you think? Be as snarky as you want, obviously we want Marist to take on recruits that are more of a risk. However, the athletic program is doing great,, the school is improving its reputation, they are improving the campus all the time. If any of us think he is going to be canned or get admonished because the mens program has sucked, we are being ridiculously naïve. It isn't happening. And the AD has also led a very successful athletic program. Yes the mens program has sucked. Guess what, the AD does not stand for Mens basketball manager. Everyone is correct here. ggaff and the rest of us are right to be pissed about what's happened to this program and the ridiculousness of the restrictions and yankee is right that DM isn't going to have any repercussions in regards to his poor decisions on how the men's basketball program is run because the college overall is doing very well. The question becomes how do the fans, financial supporters, trustees and/or AD's office convince DM that allowing some B-, 1080 SAT type students into the bball program will not hurt the school's academic rep and that transfer students of any kind as long as they can graduate do not hurt as well? Despite how well the other sports have done, men's bball should carry a little more weight than the rest, maybe only equaled by women's bball and the AD does take some heat for 7 straight horrible years, especially cause of the Bower signing. It was a gamble and it didn't work out and the only thing left to salvage from it were the "half the roster" worth of recruits he brought in. Those guys essentially had to work and the early returns are not good at all and could screw the program for another 3 years!
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Post by yankee on Dec 21, 2014 12:38:13 GMT -5
IMO, we simply can not judge recruits this early with the situation they have been handed. Many a recruit has stunk his freshman year and done well after. Bower was a good hire. NOONE saw a NBA team offering him a GM job, not even Bower. That was a perfect storm.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 21, 2014 12:57:42 GMT -5
IMO, we simply can not judge recruits this early with the situation they have been handed. Many a recruit has stunk his freshman year and done well after. Bower was a good hire. NOONE saw a NBA team offering him a GM job, not even Bower. That was a perfect storm. I agree we can't fully judge them, but the early returns are not that impressive and after 11 games you should have a feel for ceiling/potential. Who were the recruits that stunk as freshman and turned out to be either stars or above average MAAC players. I can't really think of any.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 21, 2014 13:03:34 GMT -5
My assessment of the Fr is only half stat based, it's also eye test. My eye's tell me if Coil and Momah can't steal minutes from Troug and Brooks that is a monumental problem. My eye's see a slow shot release from Coletta and difficulty adjusting to the speed of this game. My eye's see a slow first step and average at best foot speed from Lee. My eyes see good athletiscm and quickness from Griffin but a lack of polish shooting, passing and handling. He's got some potential. My eyes see good athletiscm, shooting potential and decent quickness from McCelhagan. Needs to get stronger and work on post game. Also potential. What does everyone else think. The latter four have all accrued 100's of minutes this year. Please tell me if I am off?
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Post by fox94 on Dec 21, 2014 13:06:59 GMT -5
Maker is a much better hire than Bower, irregardless of him leaving for the NBA.
Maker is a COLLEGE COACH and a good one.
Bower is an NBA GM and he was masquerading as a college coach as Displayed by his longevity, recruiting and coaching at the college level.
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Post by yankee on Dec 21, 2014 13:14:02 GMT -5
IMO, we simply can not judge recruits this early with the situation they have been handed. Many a recruit has stunk his freshman year and done well after. Bower was a good hire. NOONE saw a NBA team offering him a GM job, not even Bower. That was a perfect storm. I agree we can't fully judge them, but the early returns are not that impressive and after 11 games you should have a feel for ceiling/potential. Who were the recruits that stunk as freshman and turned out to be either stars or above average MAAC players. I can't really think of any. Off the top of my head, Rossiter.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 21, 2014 13:18:19 GMT -5
Maker is a much better hire than Bower, irregardless of him leaving for the NBA. Maker is a COLLEGE COACH and a good one. Bower is an NBA GM and he was masquerading as a college coach as Displayed by his longevity, recruiting and coaching at the college level. I agree 94. It's very unfortunate that he was entrusted with such an important recruiting class. His recruits make up half the roster for the next 4 years! Maker will need to convince Hart to stay for 4 years, hit some slam dunks on his next two recruiting classes AND successfully develop McClenahgnan Lee and Griffin to sniff .500 by 2016-2017 IMO.
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Post by yankee on Dec 21, 2014 13:21:03 GMT -5
If he is a good coach, he will develop at least a couple of these players. Were we all just bullcrapping over the offseason when we stated we liked the recruits? Are we really giving up on them already? I understand the eye test thing, but they have been forced into big roles really early. That can seriously affect how they play.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 21, 2014 13:21:11 GMT -5
I agree we can't fully judge them, but the early returns are not that impressive and after 11 games you should have a feel for ceiling/potential. Who were the recruits that stunk as freshman and turned out to be either stars or above average MAAC players. I can't really think of any. Off the top of my head, Rossiter. I was talking just Marist players, but I will give you that one. However that is only one : )
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 21, 2014 13:28:21 GMT -5
Well that's what fans do. We slobber and bullcrap over the "what could be". Eventually though reality always takes shape. Remember when Candon Rusin was the next WW? Sam Prescott was the next Marist MAAC POY? I fell into those pipedreams as well, but actual performance always wins out and reality does set it.
And I do think he has a chance to develop Connor. Maybe Lee and Griffin too. But on the converse, they all may not amount to anything more than a bench piece too. That's scary since Hart and Lawrence are the only other pieces of perceived basketball quality coming back. I would bet most of of us have Parker as Marist's 2nd or 3rd best player next year already? That's scary. Maker has alot of recruiting to do to get us to a base of 7-8 average to above average MAAC level players
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Post by ggaff on Dec 21, 2014 14:40:10 GMT -5
I liked what I saw from Momah's clips. I thought Coil could stretch the D and be a good rebounder. Maybe Maker is conservative with his young guys? I'm not trying to be snarky Yankee. I just don't know what the hell their goals are. It shouldn't take long for a school with resources to rebuild quickly in the MAAC. It shouldn't take as long as we are talking. And they shouldn't expect the fan base to wait another 3 yrs. Hell, everybody wanted CM fired in Yr 3. I'm hoping we're good next year. I'm hopeful that all of Bower's recruits can play. If he's a talent evaluator, a minimum of 3 should be expected to be significant contributors. He said he was going to infuse the program with talent. Could it be that hard to get players that meet Marist's standards and can be elite MAAC players?
Parker actually looks like he does everything well. If he can get all three of his guys to look like that, we'll be ok. But I still think they need to end this losing by bringing in impact JUCOS.. Enough is enough with the losing..
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