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Post by maristforward on Mar 12, 2023 14:45:33 GMT -5
TM has stated there is no benefit to encouraging NIL efforts by boosters - leave it to the bigger schools. Well businesses are involved around me ..u see many an college athlete doing commercials ..I don't know if Murray can stop that sort of thing ., No, he isn't trying to shut is down, but while other MAAC schools are actively organizing alumni, and other boosters, he telling coaches that the department isn't interested in helping/encouraging/participating in any way. Not a recruiting "restriction", but it is an intentional choice to not help. |
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Post by flyingdutchman on Mar 12, 2023 15:44:29 GMT -5
Well businesses are involved around me ..u see many an college athlete doing commercials ..I don't know if Murray can stop that sort of thing ., No, he isn't trying to shut is down, but while other MAAC schools are actively organizing alumni, and other boosters, he telling coaches that the department isn't interested in helping/encouraging/participating in any way. Not a recruiting "restriction", but it is an intentional choice to not help. Serious question here, do you know that for a fact? Because if TM is actively denying NIL opportunities in today’s landscape that is the single dumbest thing I’ve heard an athletic director doing. |
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Post by maristforward on Mar 12, 2023 16:00:10 GMT -5
No, he isn't trying to shut is down, but while other MAAC schools are actively organizing alumni, and other boosters, he telling coaches that the department isn't interested in helping/encouraging/participating in any way. Not a recruiting "restriction", but it is an intentional choice to not help. Serious question here, do you know that for a fact? Because if TM is actively denying NIL opportunities in today’s landscape that is the single dumbest thing I’ve heard an athletic director doing. Did I hear him say it myself? - No. Did I hear it from multiple people who heard him say it? - Yes. Do I believe it - Yes. |
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Post by yankee on Mar 12, 2023 16:21:25 GMT -5
Serious question here, do you know that for a fact? Because if TM is actively denying NIL opportunities in today’s landscape that is the single dumbest thing I’ve heard an athletic director doing. Did I hear him say it myself? - No. Did I hear it from multiple people who heard him say it? - Yes. Do I believe it - Yes. So we don't know. |
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Post by maristforward on Mar 12, 2023 17:01:10 GMT -5
Did I hear him say it myself? - No. Did I hear it from multiple people who heard him say it? - Yes. Do I believe it - Yes. So we don't know. We all have our own standards of what we accept as fact and what we don't. For me, based on who told me - I know he said it, for you, you don't know me from Frankie, so you don't have much reason to believe me. Depending on who you know that will talk to you. It shouldn't be difficult to confirm. Or you can look at the evidence. Other schools in the MAAC have started NIL clubs, and supported NIL collectives. Schools in the NEC have done the same. Marist has done nothing more than assign somebody to track the NIL deals kids get on their own (ROFLMAO). |
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Post by yankee on Mar 12, 2023 17:21:21 GMT -5
We all have our own standards of what we accept as fact and what we don't. For me, based on who told me - I know he said it, for you, you don't know me from Frankie, so you don't have much reason to believe me. Depending on who you know that will talk to you. It shouldn't be difficult to confirm. Or you can look at the evidence. Other schools in the MAAC have started NIL clubs, and supported NIL collectives. Schools in the NEC have done the same. Marist has done nothing more than assign somebody to track the NIL deals kids get on their own (ROFLMAO). Again, you can decide to accept conjecture as fact. I will no do that. Do I THIMK TM pursues Nil opportunities for the players? No. And an AD shouldn't do that. Do I THINK he tells athletes they can't get NIL deals? No. |
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Post by maristforward on Mar 12, 2023 17:25:57 GMT -5
We all have our own standards of what we accept as fact and what we don't. For me, based on who told me - I know he said it, for you, you don't know me from Frankie, so you don't have much reason to believe me. Depending on who you know that will talk to you. It shouldn't be difficult to confirm. Or you can look at the evidence. Other schools in the MAAC have started NIL clubs, and supported NIL collectives. Schools in the NEC have done the same. Marist has done nothing more than assign somebody to track the NIL deals kids get on their own (ROFLMAO). Again, you can decide to accept conjecture as fact. I will no do that. Do I THIMK TM pursues Nil opportunities for the players? No. And an AD shouldn't do that. Do I THINK he tells athletes they can't get NIL deals? No. I'm not believing conjecture, I'm believing direct quotes from multiple people who heard it right from his mouth as they asked him to do more. As to your two conclusions - they are correct. But they reflect the bare minimum. The department should be leading, trying to make things better for the athletes, the coaches, the school. Instead his head is in the sand and he is happy to do the bare minimum he can get away with. That isn't the leadership the school needs. TM isn't a leader of the department he is a custodian. |
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Post by yankee on Mar 12, 2023 17:27:43 GMT -5
Again, you can decide to accept conjecture as fact. I will no do that. Do I THIMK TM pursues Nil opportunities for the players? No. And an AD shouldn't do that. Do I THINK he tells athletes they can't get NIL deals? No. I'm not believing conjecture, I'm believing direct quotes from multiple people who heard it right from his mouth as they asked him to do more. As to your two conclusions - they are correct. But they reflect the bare minimum. The department should be leading, trying to make things better for the athletes, the coaches, the school. Instead his head is in the sand and he is happy to do the bare minimum he can get away with. That isn't the leadership the school needs. TM isn't a leader of the department he is a custodian. Marist should not be in the business of getting companies to give their student athletes money imo. They shouldn't get in the way, but it is a slippery slope for a college if they pursue it for them. The players have advisors. They can get the nil deals. |
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 12, 2023 17:51:01 GMT -5
Hopefully Murray adapts to changes ..Sadly , in his mind he just went to the Mens final ,,so that justifies all of his theories and stances .,well good luck with that and he better put a better product out on the court or he'll have more 600 fan attendances ,paid attendances with 300 actually showing up ..There is nothing seedy with NIL as i see it ..kids in college now find an array of things to do to make big money that weren't available when in was growing up .whether its using your mind or body ..its called capitalism ..and i fully support anyones right to make money ..not just those in charge .
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Post by maristforward on Mar 12, 2023 17:52:26 GMT -5
I'm not believing conjecture, I'm believing direct quotes from multiple people who heard it right from his mouth as they asked him to do more. As to your two conclusions - they are correct. But they reflect the bare minimum. The department should be leading, trying to make things better for the athletes, the coaches, the school. Instead his head is in the sand and he is happy to do the bare minimum he can get away with. That isn't the leadership the school needs. TM isn't a leader of the department he is a custodian. Marist should not be in the business of getting companies to give their student athletes money imo. They shouldn't get in the way, but it is a slippery slope for a college if they pursue it for them. The players have advisors. They can get the nil deals. I'm not sure where the NCAA/legal line is drawn, but I know that if Marist doesn't get somewhere onto that slope, then they will continue to lose recruits. I know of at least 4 MAAC schools with NIL clubs that are "supported" by their institutions. I'm not sure what "supported" means in this context, but I have no reason to believe they aren't in compliance with NCAA rules. At the very least, they've been promoted on the schools social media and are a recruiting edge that we are intentionally giving away. |
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 12, 2023 17:56:44 GMT -5
Iona in Albany ? great draw for them
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Post by yankee on Mar 12, 2023 18:01:16 GMT -5
Hopefully Murray adapts to changes ..Sadly , in his mind he just went to the Mens final ,,so that justifies all of his theories and stances .,well good luck with that and he better put a better product out on the court or he'll have more 600 fan attendances ,paid attendances with 300 actually showing up ..There is nothing seedy with NIL as i see it ..kids in college now find an array of things to do to make big money that weren't available when in was growing up .whether its using your mind or body ..its called capitalism ..and i fully support anyones right to make money ..not just those in charge . I agree, but Marist should not be the go between. |
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Post by yankee on Mar 12, 2023 18:03:49 GMT -5
Marist should not be in the business of getting companies to give their student athletes money imo. They shouldn't get in the way, but it is a slippery slope for a college if they pursue it for them. The players have advisors. They can get the nil deals. I'm not sure where the NCAA/legal line is drawn, but I know that if Marist doesn't get somewhere onto that slope, then they will continue to lose recruits. I know of at least 4 MAAC schools with NIL clubs that are "supported" by their institutions. I'm not sure what "supported" means in this context, but I have no reason to believe they aren't in compliance with NCAA rules. At the very least, they've been promoted on the schools social media and are a recruiting edge that we are intentionally giving away. There you go again, "intentionally giving away"? |
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 12, 2023 18:07:23 GMT -5
Hopefully Murray adapts to changes ..Sadly , in his mind he just went to the Mens final ,,so that justifies all of his theories and stances .,well good luck with that and he better put a better product out on the court or he'll have more 600 fan attendances ,paid attendances with 300 actually showing up ..There is nothing seedy with NIL as i see it ..kids in college now find an array of things to do to make big money that weren't available when in was growing up .whether its using your mind or body ..its called capitalism ..and i fully support anyones right to make money ..not just those in charge . I agree, but Marist should not be the go between. technically i don't know if they are allowed to .i really don't know all the rules to it ..but im sure every college fully knows those rules ... |
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Post by yankee on Mar 12, 2023 18:14:21 GMT -5
I agree, but Marist should not be the go between. technically i don't know if they are allowed to .i really don't know all the rules to it ..but im sure every college fully knows those rules ... Hence the possible slippery slope possibilities |
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