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Post by nomar33 on Mar 9, 2023 9:50:12 GMT -5
Relationships off the court sounds dangerous. Let's go hang out? No you let players know that your door is open if needed, and you see them during sport activities. You are there for them if needed but not their friends - friends can come AFTER done.
Doc Goldman was an awful soccer coach - but if I ever needed anything I knew I could go to him. I never hang out, or shot the shit with him - not until I was an Alumni. I know how many past players and coaches call him for advice years after they left, at that point they are peers. While in college it needs to be player/coach not friends
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 9, 2023 10:04:20 GMT -5
As a coach I think it’s most important to build relationships off the court. If you build a relationship with a player off the court, then they will respond positively to being yelled at on the court. If there’s no relationship between player and coach and all they ever do is get yelled at, it makes them question whether this guy is really in their corner or not. All coaches yell to some extent, but not all create relationships off the court. I’m sure this is something that has been lacking the last few years as coach has gotten older If its all a couple of years your talking about ..im giving most coaches a pass as they adjust to the new transfer portal era in the NCAA..the relationship thing off the court sounds weird and creepy.How many arenas could i walk into to watch a college womens game and have a hard time finding a seat .In my expierience it was in Hartford for UCONN and in Poughkeepsie ..I'm sure there are others ..but Giorgis is a great coach
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Post by foxfanatic on Mar 9, 2023 11:13:20 GMT -5
I think every great eventually disconnects from the current generation. You see Geno going out and saying very similar things about how he has had to approaching coaching.
Look at the team in the COVID year, they basically only saw their teammates and coach. They always looked happy, cheering on the bench, and obviously went all the way. I went to a lot of games last year. I even went to away games where there was no crowd (Went to Iona and there was MAYBE 50 people there total) to I could clearly hear back-talking from players and see eye-rolling and just flat out ignoring coach. I think coach can maybe take a tiny bit of blame for not being able to connect with players, but we see older coaches having similar issues.
Coach is great, knows basketball, and has make great connection with players. Just looking at the retirement ceremony how many old players came back. With that, kids this generation are just harder to coach. With a combination of social media and all coaches telling them they're great growing up it makes it hard for them to be coached well. With that said, so coaches have had the ability to connect with this generation so hopefully Erin is able to bring a little of that.
With that said, I appreciate everything Giorgis did for this program but I think it is a good time for him to step away. At this point, Erin has learned so long from Giorgis that she's either ready or not. I have faith based on how well other coaches from his tree has done.
Again, thank you Giorgis!
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Post by foxfanatic on Mar 9, 2023 11:15:07 GMT -5
Also, this idea that they won "in spite" of Giorgis' demeanor. What other mid major has 5 NCAA tournament wins? 9 straight trips to the NCAA tourney? Clearly he is a genius, and at one point could connect with players
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Post by fox94 on Mar 9, 2023 13:07:07 GMT -5
Back talking, ignoring and eye rolling a coach with his pedigree, that you as a player made a conscious decision to play for, more than likely due to that pedigree? Pathetic
If coach is lacking anything, it was not seeing the arrogance, selfishness and uncoachability of some of the recruits.
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Post by bigredfan on Mar 9, 2023 14:44:03 GMT -5
Back talking, ignoring and eye rolling a coach with his pedigree, that you as a player made a conscious decision to play for, more than likely due to that pedigree? Pathetic If coach is lacking anything it is not seeing the arrogance, selfishness and uncoachability of some of the recruits. Who recruited them? Giorgis!!
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 9, 2023 14:58:07 GMT -5
Lets be clear - coach should have known they would act that way when he recruited them?
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Post by bigredfan on Mar 9, 2023 15:16:46 GMT -5
Lets be clear - coach should have known they would act that way when he recruited them? He recruited them period, YES.
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Post by shooter on Mar 9, 2023 15:29:16 GMT -5
I think there were certain things BG could have done differently the last few years, nor do I find him as infallible as some here, but I can't fault him for not being a Minority Report pre-cog to know how people were going to act and react in certain situations.
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Post by foxfanatic on Mar 9, 2023 15:51:01 GMT -5
Lets be clear - coach should have known they would act that way when he recruited them? He recruited them period, YES. Yes he responsible for that but in 20+ years he had 1 class that had these issues. I think I can excuse that
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Post by bigredfan on Mar 9, 2023 18:13:11 GMT -5
He recruited them period, YES. Yes he responsible for that but in 20+ years he had 1 class that had these issues. I think I can excuse that Since the Lie disaster there have been at least five players that transferred to D2 schools. That is what I remember without looking them up. Meg did all the recruiting before she left and ever since than it has been hit or miss.
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Post by yankee on Mar 9, 2023 22:46:21 GMT -5
Anyone bashing Giorgis can go look in a mirror and repeat this phrase, "I am a sad little pathetic person". How dare you attack a man who has helped and guided so many young women in high school and then college. For those doing so, grow as human beings. Thank you coach Giorgis for all the great things you have done for the game of basketball in this area. You are a legend.
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Post by Ms. B on Mar 10, 2023 8:24:56 GMT -5
Last years roster had some players who didn't fit, whined about everything, and they left. Not missed I've been a reader on this page for awhile now, but never have I posted my thoughts. I decided to create an account and share some thoughts. This is maybe the 500th time that one of you active members has said something negative about players from a full season ago. These players have moved onto new programs for many reasons. It's time you move on as well. I know you think you know the only reason they left was because they were bratty and didn't want to work hard, but how could you possibly know? How could any of you know what happens behind the scenes of this program? You are all bystanders with an outside perspective who have no idea what really could happen behind closed doors. These players most likely left because they were miserable in a program with a poor head coach who never flashes a smile and who lost his magic many years ago. You really think TK leaving had nothing to do with the basketball program? She willingly moved on to a new school in a better conference. She knew she wouldn't be an all-conference player and get the minutes like she did in a Marist uniform. However, she left because she was miserable. She was getting the minutes, was an all-MAAC player, and she was still miserable. She, along with all the others who left the program, were most likely in a dark place and knew the grass would be greener on the other side. Getting less minutes or even switching divisions doesn't mean these girls were happier in Poughkeepsie than where they are now - I can almost guarantee you they weren't. Do you guys also think Barcello decided to just selfishly quit on the team in her senior season after moving her life from Arizona to New York for 3 seasons? You got to be kidding me. I can guarantee you there's more to that story the program doesn't want you to know. I'm sure there's more to everyone's story that is behind swept under the rug to protect their reputation. Those girls probably didn't just leave because coach yelled at them. Those are just a few of my thoughts. I think it's time to move on to players who are actively on the roster and stop dwelling on those who decided to leave. redfox27 as correct as you are on this you have to remember to stick to the rules of this board.
Rule #1 - If we win it all because of the coaches.
Rule #2 - If we lose it all because of the players and their nasty attitudes.
Straying from these rules in ANY WAY no matter how obvious it is will trigger the board and make everyone's inner "KAREN" come out.
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 10, 2023 8:37:57 GMT -5
redfox27 as correct as you are on this you have to remember to stick to the rules of this board. Rule #1 - If we win it all because of the coaches.
Rule #2 - If we lose it all because of the players and their nasty attitudes. Straying from these rules in ANY WAY no matter how obvious it is will trigger the board and make everyone's inner "KAREN" come out.
We have to put up with all you clowns coming here posting nonsense - most likely relatives Rule #1 - we have always given credit to the players for success - from Fitz, Jarosz, Dahlman, Coffey, Dulin, Yarde, Ockenden, Gilmer, Camara, Allenspach, Hand and many others. - the fact that you can't see the difference in character from all those players and some of the players from last years team is sad. The fact that last year was FIRST TIME ever you saw the talking back, the eye rolling, the bitching - tells people like you that is was the coaches fault - the previous track record be damned. Rule #2 - we lost this year and we have not once said it was because of their attitudes - in fact the overall culture this year was night and day from last year. Thanks for joining the discussion with pure nonsense
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Post by Ms. B on Mar 10, 2023 9:13:54 GMT -5
redfox27 as correct as you are on this you have to remember to stick to the rules of this board. Rule #1 - If we win it all because of the coaches.
Rule #2 - If we lose it all because of the players and their nasty attitudes. Straying from these rules in ANY WAY no matter how obvious it is will trigger the board and make everyone's inner "KAREN" come out.
We have to put up with all you clowns coming here posting nonsense - most likely relatives Rule #1 - we have always given credit to the players for success - from Fitz, Jarosz, Dahlman, Coffey, Dulin, Yarde, Ockenden, Gilmer, Camara, Allenspach, Hand and many others. - the fact that you can't see the difference in character from all those players and some of the players from last years team is sad. The fact that last year was FIRST TIME ever you saw the talking back, the eye rolling, the bitching - tells people like you that is was the coaches fault - the previous track record be damned. Rule #2 - we lost this year and we have not once said it was because of their attitudes - in fact the overall culture this year was night and day from last year. Thanks for joining the discussion with pure nonsense I forgot redfox27 about rule #3 its kinda like fight club.
Rule #3 - You dont talk about the rules.
Always remember to stick to the rules.
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