fox94
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Post by fox94 on Jan 18, 2016 20:27:13 GMT -5
Anyone care to speculate where we are if Bower is still at the helm?
Didn't seem to be a good floor general in the games I watched and his recruiting class is showing to be a disappointment to put it mildly.
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 20:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by yankee on Jan 18, 2016 20:29:24 GMT -5
Is this for therapeutic reasons?
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fox94
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Post by fox94 on Jan 18, 2016 20:44:38 GMT -5
Lol! I think I need perspective. Maybe a support group to convince me that we are better off now than where we were?
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 21:01:11 GMT -5
Post by oldfox on Jan 18, 2016 21:01:11 GMT -5
It's a trick question.
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Jan 18, 2016 21:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by yankee on Jan 18, 2016 21:12:40 GMT -5
Lol! I think I need perspective. Maybe a support group to convince me that we are better off now than where we were? Bower created a more "professional" operation. How ever his 1 recruiting class has not shown much. Maker is building on the professionalism and his first class is very promising. They are on the right track in my opinion.
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Post by ctalum on Jan 18, 2016 21:16:23 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority however continued to be baffled by the almost zealot like defense of Maker by the board. He hasn't proven it is warranted.
Martin's 1st 47 games: 11 - 36 Maker 11 - 36. That isn't good company to be in.
One could make the case Martin had a lesser roster than Maker has/had. Also this would Martin's 1st head coaching gig while Maker has hc experience leading teams to the highest levels of D3 that was supposed to translate well to Marist. Good coaches do not lose games like Rider.
I am my no means a Martin advocate, he was a terrible hire. Bower had double digit wins his only season.
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Post by homebody on Jan 18, 2016 21:22:42 GMT -5
I agree that Coach Maker is helping the professionalism. I note with pride that all of the members stand and respect the flag during the National Anthem. You would be surprised at the number of people that notice disrespect to our flag. I wish he would substitute a little more because IMO we loose many close games due to fatigue. If they were rested more earlier in the game it may help.
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 21:26:14 GMT -5
Post by homebody on Jan 18, 2016 21:26:14 GMT -5
I agree that Coach Maker is helping the professionalism. I note with pride that all of the members stand and respect the flag during the National Anthem. You would be surprised at the number of people that notice disrespect to our flag. I wish he would substitute a little more because IMO we loose many close games due to fatigue. If they were rested more earlier in the game it may help.
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 21:45:42 GMT -5
Post by Red Fox 5 on Jan 18, 2016 21:45:42 GMT -5
Anyone care to speculate where we are if Bower is still at the helm? Didn't seem to be a good floor general in the games I watched and his recruiting class is showing to be a disappointment to put it mildly. 0-16 cause we wouldnt have Lamb, Palsson and Parker.
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 22:01:56 GMT -5
Post by Red Fox 5 on Jan 18, 2016 22:01:56 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority however continued to be baffled by the almost zealot like defense of Maker by the board. He hasn't proven it is warranted. Martin's 1st 47 games: 11 - 36 Maker 11 - 36. That isn't good company to be in. One could make the case Martin had a lesser roster than Maker has/had. Also this would Martin's 1st head coaching gig while Maker has hc experience leading teams to the highest levels of D3 that was supposed to translate well to Marist. Good coaches do not lose games like Rider. I am my no means a Martin advocate, he was a terrible hire. Bower had double digit wins his only season. My faith is grounded in recruiting and system. I see with Maker three very good young players in Parker, Palsson and Lamb. That is a better class than what Martin brought in in his first few years with the program. It's the best class IMO since Magarity. Maker's system promises to get open looks from three and I can see that happening game after game. Marist is shooting 37% from outside, 2nd in the MAAC and they are top 5 in made three's per game too. Both Maker and Martin had very few usable pieces when taking over the program but Makers talent void is heavily centered on the 4 and 5 position. I've never seen a team with so much lack of skill and fundamental at the 5. I truly believe we might have the worst center personnel in the country and that's not on Maker, yet. I will be very disapointed if he can't get one or two bigs for next year. Also, while the record is bad, Makers teams have been more competitive. Despite matching up with no team up front, these games are mostly 1 to 10 point losses. Martin's teams regularly lost by 15-30. Lastly it's very hard to judge Maker's first year as he lost his best (Hart) and 3rd best (Curry) players for half the season. Hart was never 100% last year and he didnt have any of his own guys. I don't think it can be stated enough how bad Bower's recruiting class was. it;s worse than ANY class Martin brought in and it used up 6 roster spots. That is a HUGE impediment for the next coach to overcome. With that said, this is the last year that should be complained about. It;s on Maker if he can't add bigs or depth with his second recruiting class.
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Jan 18, 2016 22:07:42 GMT -5
Post by reddfoxxnation on Jan 18, 2016 22:07:42 GMT -5
u wonder if Maker will have another scholarship or 2 ..there are a couple on the team that may feel they can get more PT on another club .. ..ala Colletta and Coil
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 22:10:33 GMT -5
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Post by yankee on Jan 18, 2016 22:10:33 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority however continued to be baffled by the almost zealot like defense of Maker by the board. He hasn't proven it is warranted. Martin's 1st 47 games: 11 - 36 Maker 11 - 36. That isn't good company to be in. One could make the case Martin had a lesser roster than Maker has/had. Also this would Martin's 1st head coaching gig while Maker has hc experience leading teams to the highest levels of D3 that was supposed to translate well to Marist. Good coaches do not lose games like Rider. I am my no means a Martin advocate, he was a terrible hire. Bower had double digit wins his only season. I liked your post for one main reason. I have mentioned how this board has been giving maker "pillow protection". I do think he will be good, but enough going after past recruiting. Niagara coach took over worse situstion, has them with 3 maac wins. Get some wins staff. We like what we see with this recruiting class, but get some wins.
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 22:19:10 GMT -5
Post by Red Fox 5 on Jan 18, 2016 22:19:10 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority however continued to be baffled by the almost zealot like defense of Maker by the board. He hasn't proven it is warranted. Martin's 1st 47 games: 11 - 36 Maker 11 - 36. That isn't good company to be in. One could make the case Martin had a lesser roster than Maker has/had. Also this would Martin's 1st head coaching gig while Maker has hc experience leading teams to the highest levels of D3 that was supposed to translate well to Marist. Good coaches do not lose games like Rider. I am my no means a Martin advocate, he was a terrible hire. Bower had double digit wins his only season. I liked your post for one main reason. I have mentioned how this board has been giving maker "pillow protection". I do think he will be good, but enough going after past recruiting. Niagara coach took over worse situstion, has them with 3 maac wins. Get some wins staff. We like what we see with this recruiting class, but get some wins. So who are you advocating him using more/better and generating the offense and rebounding needed to win? By my count there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between the top 4 and the rest on this roster. The top 4 are averaging 56 ppg and doing a collective good job from the field, FT line and 3PT line percentage wise. It would be unfair to ask that group to do more (even though I think they will all continue to get better). Is it realistic to ask Maker to get more out of Troug, Brooks, PLR, Lee, McCelnghan? Can they give more? The sample size on all of them is quite large and there are very few positive marks. The games they've blown have been bad FT shooting mostly. He can't take their FT's. I mean perhaps he could get more innovative on D. This is not a good defensive team and it's a known weak spot for Maker. That'd be the only real crtisicm I could put on him now.
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 22:28:06 GMT -5
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Post by yankee on Jan 18, 2016 22:28:06 GMT -5
And my only criticism of him when hired was his either 80-20, or 90-10 focus on offense. I believe their is a video about it.
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Bower
Jan 18, 2016 23:12:11 GMT -5
Post by oldfox on Jan 18, 2016 23:12:11 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority however continued to be baffled by the almost zealot like defense of Maker by the board. He hasn't proven it is warranted. Martin's 1st 47 games: 11 - 36 Maker 11 - 36. That isn't good company to be in. One could make the case Martin had a lesser roster than Maker has/had. Also this would Martin's 1st head coaching gig while Maker has hc experience leading teams to the highest levels of D3 that was supposed to translate well to Marist. Good coaches do not lose games like Rider. I am my no means a Martin advocate, he was a terrible hire. Bower had double digit wins his only season. I liked your post for one main reason. I have mentioned how this board has been giving maker "pillow protection". I do think he will be good, but enough going after past recruiting. Niagara coach took over worse situstion, has them with 3 maac wins. Get some wins staff. We like what we see with this recruiting class, but get some wins. Casey was hired in April 2013. He had had 3 recruiting classes. His best recruit turned out to be an indicted felon. Niagara has an acceptance rate of 76%. The Niagara roster is like a carousel. He has MAAC 3 wins. Maker was hired in June 2014. He took over a program that was in far worse shape than the one Casey did without the recent success or basketball tradition that Niagara has to fall back on. Maker has had 1 recruiting class which includes a serious candidate for ROY and 3 other regulars who make up what is among the deepest most talented freshman class in the MAAC. Marist has an acceptance rate of 38%. If after two more recruiting classes Maker's Marist team had 3 MAAC wins come MLK Weekend, then the comparison would be a fair one and I'll be wondering how this Marist hire too went bad.
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