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Post by igotyouback on Dec 22, 2010 14:30:24 GMT -5
What other recruit that had this guys skill level played at Marist. But you right who knows whats going to happen.
But I have a question if three years ago you where asked to be the head coach for Marist what do you think you record would be right now and last year and what would of been your game plan from day one. Maybe this should be a topic.
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Post by petagay77 on Dec 22, 2010 15:14:39 GMT -5
igotyouback, im glad to see you/somebody gets it .. ggaf is the only other poster that get it ...
I was just thinkin / sayin that the other day ... players gotta execute. period. a coach can talk til hes red in the face .... And as soon as the next coach comes in, Marist will be great after Chuck set a strong foundation ...
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Post by petagay77 on Dec 22, 2010 15:16:00 GMT -5
Point blank .. Martin took over a damaged program ... and is busting his a## to get it back on top ...
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Post by nomar33 on Dec 22, 2010 15:30:27 GMT -5
Honestly what did I expect ...... I expected at least 5 wins last year, at least 10 by year 3 - I can tell you I didn't expect to get my ass kicked by a winless team at home. I expect 14-17 by year 4 (which is next year) there is nothing with what is happening out there that would convince me of that. Seriously this year you are ok with losing by 20 to bad teams?
And go back to old posts where we talk about incoming recruits (many who are now on this team) we had high hopes for them also ...... so noway am I buying that Morton will come in and be anything so far and above what we have.
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Post by petagay77 on Dec 22, 2010 15:54:02 GMT -5
Seriously , Morton is a better PG than most (not all but most) of the PG's in the MAAC right now, as senior in HS .. the kid is that good. This kid will lead the MAAC in assist by his soph year ...
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Dec 22, 2010 16:05:35 GMT -5
After the last few years of futility I am more skeptical about incoming recruits and will certainly wait to see about Thomas before declaring him an impact player...however I do think Morton will be the real deal. He won't be shy about getting into the offensive flow and taking shots right from the get go and Marist needs that type of player. He is very small but that's really his only glaring weakness. Quickness, ability to create shots for himself and others and athleticism are all big time strengths.
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Post by petagay77 on Dec 22, 2010 16:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by yankee on Dec 22, 2010 18:42:49 GMT -5
Seriously , Morton is a better PG than most (not all but most) of the PG's in the MAAC right now, as senior in HS .. the kid is that good. This kid will lead the MAAC in assist by his soph year ... We all have hope for this. HOPE. |
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Post by igotyouback on Dec 23, 2010 10:30:29 GMT -5
Nomar33 what coaching formula is that from and you do not make a offenses for your player you come in with a game plan and find the player to fit it no coach in the history of basketball makes a new offenses for it type of players MJ player for coach's that made a offenses for him no chips and when Phil Jackson came in with his offenses and made MJ run it 6 chips come on man lets be real on that one.
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Post by nomar33 on Dec 23, 2010 11:02:28 GMT -5
Thanks Igotyou - you made my point for me. Martin brought in the offense "Dribble-Drive" he has also brought in Rusin, Prescott, Alexis, Price, Watson, Johnson, Hall, and now Bowie, Prinsloo, and Kemp. So by my count he has recruited over 10 guys for THIS offense. Can we expect growing pains - hell yes, BUT 7 of these guys have been playing in this system and practicing it every day for 1 and a half years. Are they young yes but they have now had more playing time then some Jrs out there.
Again I know this will take time but I need to see some growth some bright spots - I do not see them at all. We are 314 RPI - and we are losing to awful teams buy a huge margin - 282 (20 points), 278 (22 points), 271 (18 points), and 254 (22 points) - so with sooo many of his players on this team should we not at least be competitive? I cant see how 1 guy will come in and correct a 20 point margin and allow us to all of a sudden be able to be competitive against 150 RPI teams - and yes that is what i expect from Marist a 150 and better RPI squad.
The Dribble Drive is not working with this team period - so when as a coach do you say ok i got some talent but the offense we are running is not working - Rusin can not create shots but sure can hit them when he is open - so as a GOOD coach how stubborn do you need to be to stick with something that is not working.
I would love to believe that 1 guy can come in and everything would gel - but there is nothing in this world that tells me they are going to be a 200 or better RPI team next year and hell yes by year 4 I expect that. You guys sound like you need to give a coach 6 or 7 years to get it BS.
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Post by igotyouback on Dec 23, 2010 12:26:25 GMT -5
Its not about one guys is about one important link the chain.
and if it take more than 4 years to see something happen than yes any coach should be fired and if this team is not a 500 team and playing in the MAAC championship game than something is wrong and it should not be a 5th year.
But Martin is what you have right now and it does not look like the powers to be are making any changes this year or next as of this moment so as FANS support the kids because if the coach is gone these kids are still going to be playing for us and for kids away from home with 29 loses and are still trying to win game for you fan no matter how you feel you need to show some respect to them by showing up to games and again Yes the HC game hurt everyone but even the greatest have a moment of weakness and that what happen even with the run Marist made in the game the HC fan still where louder than the Marist fans. I seen a lot of the loses last year and I never seen the players and coach like that the HC game
SO WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT THE PLAYERS NO MATTER WHO THE COACH FROM THIS POINT ON AND IF YOU WANT CHANGE HIRE A GUY A CARRY A SIGN TO THE GAME THAT SAYS FIRE CHUCK MARTIN IF YOU ARE TO SCARED TO CARRY IT YOUR SELF. YOU ALL SAID THESE ARE YOUNG KIDS THAT HC GAME WAS OT A LOSE IT WAS THAT MOMENT WE ALL HAVE IN LIFE WHEN THINGS JUST ARE NOT GOING RIGHT AND YOU LOOK FOR THE SIGN OF HOPE AND NOTHING COMES SO F EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF THE PLAYERS
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Post by nomar33 on Dec 23, 2010 12:40:52 GMT -5
Igoturback- u talked about one link in a chain which beings up the old saying "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link"
What do you expect from year 4?
Is the dribble drive right for this team?
Shouldn't a good coach be able to adjust or do you stick with what is not working?
You say that if we are not a .500 team and challenging for MAAC championship then there should not be a year 5 - what have you seen this year that makes you believe that they can win 14/15 games next year?
Again my biggest issue is not our kids it is the coaching staff not being able to adjust when what they are doing is not working. For you to say coaches don't adjust to players that is just wrong .... the coaches that can't or refuse to adjust to a roster are not coaches very long
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Post by igotyouback on Dec 23, 2010 13:29:56 GMT -5
Nomar how this :
Kaffee: Do you have an answer to the question, Colonel?
Col. Jessep: Absolutely. My answer is I don't have the first damn clue. Maybe he was an early riser and liked to pack in the morning. And maybe he didn't have any friends. I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the travel habits of William Santiago. What I do know is that he was set to leave the base at 0600. Now, are these the questions I was really called here to answer? Phone calls and foot lockers? Please tell me that you have something more, Lieutenant. These two Marines are on trial for their lives. Please tell me their lawyer hasn't pinned their hopes to a phone bill.
are you a coach have you coached a D1 power house even as an asst. have you coached or even been on the team beach in a NCAA championship game. Do you know how it feels to win 33 games and be a coach on that team in a season. than in the work of Col. Jessep Absolutely. My answer is I don't have the first damn clue. Let the professional do there job
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Post by nomar33 on Dec 23, 2010 13:40:51 GMT -5
If im not mistaken he was court marshaled and thrown in jail after that speech- and if you think those are the qualifications one needs to be a judge of the situation then u are delusional.
I yes I do believe you don't have the first damn clue.
Do you really think that one has to have sat on an NCAA bench to know if something is not working? Im fairly smart and I do know that a sub .200 winning percentage is a FAILURE.
You seem to think we are moving in the right direction and the the dribble drive is awsome and can work with that 1 more piece of the puzzle - chain or whatever metaphor you wish to install.
But go ahead tell me about the improvement this team is making? Tell me how not having more energy than another team isnt the coaches fault? Tell me getting blown out by awful teams doesn't matter? Yeah I need to have sat on a basketball bench to get all that.
I can't believe you would even suggest that one does not know what one is talking about because they didn't play that sport at that level. I have played a DI sport, I also played basketball in high school also have coached at the HS level. I never played major league baseball but I know a guy who hits .200 sucks.
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Post by ken on Dec 23, 2010 13:46:55 GMT -5
Igotyouback, I've been preaching patience on these forums for quite a while. This coach and team need time to mature together. So I agree with much of what you say. BUT you are wrong about the coach not changing his system to fit the players. I agree that a coach tries to recruit players that will fit his system; in this case the dribble drive. CM recruited Rob Johnson, Candon Rusin as face the basket players and those two guys can't dribble so how can they drive.
During the two wins I noticed Marist ran several plays that were successful and resulted in points. I did not see one play run during the HC game.
This is the confusing part for me. Some of the players we have are not suited for the DD and yet we stick with it even though we have had success with set plays. I wonder if CM is running the DD exclusively during non-conference games with the thought that the only games that matter are MAAC games.
I think CM is a really good recruiter. I'm still not sold on his ability to teach.
The players collectively are the most athletic we've ever seen at Marist. They have lots of potential.
But they need to put it together. They need to put it together starting real soon. We can hold out hope for a great recruit but this is the team we have now. As has been said by others, lots of recruits have been billed as our savior. Well I'm still waiting for someone to save the Marist men's season.
PS If you have not read every post on this forum I've been attending Red Fox games for over 25 years. Missed maybe a dozen in that time. I've been patient and continue to be patient but the turnaround better start soon. I think that is the same approach the Marist administration is taking as well.
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