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Post by bigredfan on Jan 29, 2024 21:39:06 GMT -5
I was just making the point that there is clear the athletic department is putting time and money into the football (not necessarily scholarships) but nothing into wbb WBB should have 15 scholarships.
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Post by yankee on Jan 29, 2024 22:28:24 GMT -5
I was just making the point that there is clear the athletic department is putting time and money into the football (not necessarily scholarships) but nothing into wbb WBB should have 15 scholarships. Why? They have 13 and like half don't play. Just bad business to give 2 more schollies until they can prove they can find the talent. Why are we ignoring fact their are numerous players on scholarship barely or not playing?
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Post by oldfox on Jan 29, 2024 23:05:41 GMT -5
There are numerous players on every team that barely play. No coaches play 13 players on a regular basis. It’s no reason to hamstring a staff by shutting them out of the portal because they have 13 scholarships filled if a year or two from now a Simone Pelish or an Eva Learn or another top kid they missed on initially decides that life at Miami or DePaul wasn’t what they thought it was going to be and rings up Marist looking to come “home”.
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Post by yankee on Jan 29, 2024 23:42:00 GMT -5
There are numerous players on every team that barely play. No coaches play 13 players on a regular basis. It’s no reason to hamstring a staff by shutting them out of the portal because they have 13 scholarships filled if a year or two from now a Simone Pelish or an Eva Learn or another top kid they missed on initially decides that life at Miami or DePaul wasn’t what they thought it was going to be and rings up Marist looking to come “home”. I will just have to say I disagree. I would again love to know if any other teams use the 15 schollies. By saying hamstring, it sounds as of Marist is not providing what the other schools do. My opinion would positively change if the other teams offer 15. Schools have budgets. What programs get funds cut to fund those 2 extra scholarships?
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Post by oldfox on Jan 30, 2024 0:16:43 GMT -5
I’m not sure why how another MAAC school runs their program has any bearing on how Marist should run theirs. Should the Siena Men go back to playing on campus because almost all the other MAAC schools don’t have a publicly owned arena to play in? Should FF not have fundraised enough to construct the Mahoney Center because other MAAC schools don’t have the alumni base to do the same on their campus? Marist established a brand of sorts with the success of the women’s basketball team over the past 20 years. They should proactively invest to promote and grow it. That means getting back to winning and providing opportunities to attractthe best student athletes they can to rep the school.
I have no knowledge of how Marist sets budget priorities or how departments administer their annual funding. The extra funds don’t necessarily have to come at the expense of another athletic program’s funding. The college could simply decide to grow the athletic budget by that amount.
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 30, 2024 7:06:23 GMT -5
We had an unbelievable run but that was under an entirely different set of rules, we are in that area where we need to adapt or die.
Yes, I am one of those people who believes that today’s players are very different and coddled – in the past it was always about teamwork, being a good teammate, supporting each other, today it is “the player has to do what is best for them” – you read this everywhere, look no further then FSU. The rules have made it easy to quit if things aren’t going your way. Please do not compare players to coaches. “Coaches can leave whenever they want” – well coaches can also get FIRED.
What Marist must do to help Marist Women succeed:
1) Give them full allotment of scholarships. 2) Find NIL $ 3) Invest in arena.
What the NCAA can do:
If kids can transfer anytime and as many times as they want, then coaches should be able to “fire” a kid and pull scholarship without cause. This would allow coaches to free up scholarships from kids who just didn’t work out.
Erin can recruit the next Rachel Fitz, but there is no way she can keep her under today’s rules – there would be some school with fashion who would be able to also give her $$.
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Post by bigredfan on Jan 30, 2024 11:53:05 GMT -5
We had an unbelievable run but that was under an entirely different set of rules, we are in that area where we need to adapt or die. Yes, I am one of those people who believes that today’s players are very different and coddled – in the past it was always about teamwork, being a good teammate, supporting each other, today it is “the player has to do what is best for them” – you read this everywhere, look no further then FSU. The rules have made it easy to quit if things aren’t going your way. Please do not compare players to coaches. “Coaches can leave whenever they want” – well coaches can also get FIRED. What Marist must do to help Marist Women succeed: 1) Give them full allotment of scholarships. 2) Find NIL $ 3) Invest in arena. What the NCAA can do: If kids can transfer anytime and as many times as they want, then coaches should be able to “fire” a kid and pull scholarship without cause. This would allow coaches to free up scholarships from kids who just didn’t work out. Erin can recruit the next Rachel Fitz, but there is no way she can keep her under today’s rules – there would be some school with fashion who would be able to also give her $$. Nomar, You are 100% correct on everything you said!!
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Post by bigredfan on Jan 30, 2024 12:05:55 GMT -5
Yankee, every year in the last 5 or 6 years Marist has at least 2 injured players out for for the year and 2 not playing because of bad recruiting. If you have 12 scholarships you are now down to 8 players. 9 if you have 13 scholarships. IMO you can not compete with 8 or 9 players today. Nomar was 100% right.
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Post by one on Jan 30, 2024 15:03:36 GMT -5
Yankee, every year in the last 5 or 6 years Marist has at least 2 injured players out for for the year and 2 not playing because of bad recruiting. If you have 12 scholarships you are now down to 8 players. 9 if you have 13 scholarships. IMO you can not compete with 8 or 9 players today. Nomar was 100% right. What kid is going to choose a program that cuts them if they don't work out? If they get injured, they are now out of a scholarship, tuff luck, go home or come up with the tuition? That's shooting yourself in the foot. If your program develops that reputation, they won't ever get another player to choose Marist over a school that honors their commitments. That's why you need 15 scholarships, so you can build a program without needing to cut kids or rescind their scholarships. Kids want to play; if they are not working out then you can encourage them to transfer to a program that will get them the playing time. That's the point of the portal. Coaches should help kids find good homes. If a kid has a career ending injury, they should have the option to complete their degree. Holding a scholarship and attending all the practices, games, road trips etc. is no fun if you have no chance to play again. And transferring as an upperclassman is not an option if you want to graduate on time. The program owes their upperclassmen a reasonable chance to get their degree, and their underclassmen help finding a good home, or in some cases maintain the scholarship. These kids are exceptionally hard working, otherwise they would not have made it to D1. Most of them will do the right thing if given a reasonable option. No players, with more than one offer, will choose to attend a school with a reputation for cutting scholarships
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 30, 2024 15:41:54 GMT -5
One - I completely agree with your top part. But that was then - if the players keep pushing for more NIL$, more freedom to leave whenever, there is even talk of unionizing. So if they want to be pro players then they get treated like one - they can be fired.
For the record I hate everything that is happening with college sports.
And yeah if you are ONLY one who cuts kids then you’d get a rep BUT if it becomes the norm (just like transferring whenever you want) then it won’t hurt recruiting.
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Post by yankee on Jan 30, 2024 17:59:34 GMT -5
Do men get 15 scholarships too? I believe it's 13?
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Jan 30, 2024 18:40:55 GMT -5
Post by oldfox on Jan 30, 2024 18:40:55 GMT -5
Do men get 15 scholarships too? I believe it's 13? 13
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Post by fox94 on Jan 31, 2024 12:29:02 GMT -5
Soon it will be professional power 5 or 4 or whatever, and everyone else will be D3
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Post by oldfox on Feb 1, 2024 10:51:53 GMT -5
Soon it will be professional power 5 or 4 or whatever, and everyone else will be D3 If it gets to the point where college athletes must be compensated by law I could see college sports breaking down to college teams and club teams. I could see rules being written that would allow a college to sponsor as many “NCAA” men’s and women’s sports as they could afford in line with Title IX, and the whatever other sports are left become club sports supported by student government and fees paid by student participants. I guess I don’t see why any level of “NCAA” college sports would be exempt from compensating athletes other than club.
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Post by fox94 on Feb 1, 2024 15:06:32 GMT -5
They are compensated at D1 with a scholarship. If additional pay is required then why sponsor the sport?
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