Parady retires

[ctfoxfan]

Dec 16, 2023 19:00:53 GMT -5 foxfanatic said:

Dec 16, 2023 16:32:09 GMT -5 oldfox said:

Right. St. Thomas hammered Marist the year they jumped from D3 to FCS. I’m sure this year’s Cortland Team would throttle Marist.

Our daughter attended Cortland and ran track. It’s a great sports school with very nice facilities. That was 2010 - 2013. It’s even better now.

Yes, but it Cortland planning on making the jump anytime soon?

There's plenty of D-III programs that are better funded than Marist. Again, D-I in name only! Youre making the mistake that the B of T's cares about winning football. I really wish I was wrong but... until we see otherwise they are going hire on the cheap and keep things the way they are. I will be the 1st person to apologize. Until then the B of T's has zero F's to give about winning football.

[yankee]

Dec 17, 2023 12:12:17 GMT -5 ctfoxfan said:

Dec 16, 2023 19:00:53 GMT -5 foxfanatic said:

Yes, but it Cortland planning on making the jump anytime soon?

There's plenty of D-III programs that are better funded than Marist. Again, D-I in name only! Youre making the mistake that the B of T's cares about winning football. I really wish I was wrong but... until we see otherwise they are going hire on the cheap and keep things the way they are. I will be the 1st person to apologize. Until then the B of T's has zero F's to give about winning football.

I don't know the finances of the school. But I would think a good program that wins alot, even on a lower level division, would draw huge here. Everyone loves football. A good winning program would pack the stadium and also help get more student applications. I think football should become a huge priority going forward. Head coach hire will tell us a lot.

[kjones77]

Dec 17, 2023 12:12:17 GMT -5 ctfoxfan said:

Dec 16, 2023 19:00:53 GMT -5 foxfanatic said:

Yes, but it Cortland planning on making the jump anytime soon?

There's plenty of D-III programs that are better funded than Marist. Again, D-I in name only! Youre making the mistake that the B of T's cares about winning football. I really wish I was wrong but... until we see otherwise they are going hire on the cheap and keep things the way they are. I will be the 1st person to apologize. Until then the B of T's has zero F's to give about winning football.

Finally, the B of T and I finally agree on something.

Now to can the program and invest its budget in other sports. Baby steps.

[ctfoxfan]

Dec 17, 2023 20:53:15 GMT -5 kjones77 said:

Dec 17, 2023 12:12:17 GMT -5 ctfoxfan said:

There's plenty of D-III programs that are better funded than Marist. Again, D-I in name only! Youre making the mistake that the B of T's cares about winning football. I really wish I was wrong but... until we see otherwise they are going hire on the cheap and keep things the way they are. I will be the 1st person to apologize. Until then the B of T's has zero F's to give about winning football.

Finally, the B of T and I finally agree on something.

Now to can the program and invest its budget in other sports. Baby steps.

You and the board could not be further apart. The board values football. They just dont care about winning football. They adhere to the belief that prospective students want a school with football. Additionally, the school relies heavily on football for its diversity needs. Its here to stay. Its also pretty naive to believe that without football the other sports would see an increase in their budgets. Football is not holding anything back so save the hate. Marist sports is here to check boxes for the school. Winning is thoroughly less important than its mere existence.

[kjones77]

Dec 17, 2023 23:34:34 GMT -5 ctfoxfan said:

Dec 17, 2023 20:53:15 GMT -5 kjones77 said:

Finally, the B of T and I finally agree on something.

Now to can the program and invest its budget in other sports. Baby steps.

You and the board could not be further apart. The board values football. They just dont care about winning football. They adhere to the belief that prospective students want a school with football. Additionally, the school relies heavily on football for its diversity needs. Its here to stay. Its also pretty naive to believe that without football the other sports would see an increase in their budgets. Football is not holding anything back so save the hate. Marist sports is here to check boxes for the school. Winning is thoroughly less important than its mere existence.

I meant that we agree on not caring about having a winning football program.

The rest is just my dream. Somehow, our conference mates who dropped football found a way to not having issues with diversity. I don't believe football is the only way to have a diverse campus. Nor have I seen the evidence that the students love having a football program (they certainly didn't when I was there). Though, they didn't seem to care much about any sport. I'm sure they have some data on prospective students caring, but as a non-football fan, I just see it as a financial drain. I'll trust you and them that it's worth it. If our conference rivals were still involved, I'd be all in. But in a league with Stetson and San Diego? No thanks.

[fox94]

PFL gets Marist national exposure. MAAC football does not.

PFL FB offers larger application pool. Look at the states FB players are from.

FB puts us on PL radar. No FB, does not.

[ctfoxfan]

Dec 18, 2023 0:02:40 GMT -5 kjones77 said:

Dec 17, 2023 23:34:34 GMT -5 ctfoxfan said:

You and the board could not be further apart. The board values football. They just dont care about winning football. They adhere to the belief that prospective students want a school with football. Additionally, the school relies heavily on football for its diversity needs. Its here to stay. Its also pretty naive to believe that without football the other sports would see an increase in their budgets. Football is not holding anything back so save the hate. Marist sports is here to check boxes for the school. Winning is thoroughly less important than its mere existence.

I meant that we agree on not caring about having a winning football program.

The rest is just my dream. Somehow, our conference mates who dropped football found a way to not having issues with diversity. I don't believe football is the only way to have a diverse campus. Nor have I seen the evidence that the students love having a football program (they certainly didn't when I was there). Though, they didn't seem to care much about any sport. I'm sure they have some data on prospective students caring, but as a non-football fan, I just see it as a financial drain. I'll trust you and them that it's worth it. If our conference rivals were still involved, I'd be all in. But in a league with Stetson and San Diego? No thanks.

Please don't take my comments as being in agreement with the B of T's. I appreciate and desire competitive sports across the entire athletic department. I actually think the board is clueless and largely makes decisions from a position of safety. In all probability, an expensive consultant was hired and they follow their guidance to the letter. This guidance includes weak focus group data that drives these senseless decisions. That way if something does't go right they can cite a "subject matter expert" and deflect blame for poor decisions. These board members are not established higher learning managers. They are chosen based on their ability to donate. They donate because its a shortcut to some kind of legacy for their family's name. Its all very toxic and this is how we have become a very bellow average D-I mid major athletic department.

[yankee]

Dec 18, 2023 0:02:40 GMT -5 kjones77 said:

Dec 17, 2023 23:34:34 GMT -5 ctfoxfan said:

You and the board could not be further apart. The board values football. They just dont care about winning football. They adhere to the belief that prospective students want a school with football. Additionally, the school relies heavily on football for its diversity needs. Its here to stay. Its also pretty naive to believe that without football the other sports would see an increase in their budgets. Football is not holding anything back so save the hate. Marist sports is here to check boxes for the school. Winning is thoroughly less important than its mere existence.

I meant that we agree on not caring about having a winning football program.

The rest is just my dream. Somehow, our conference mates who dropped football found a way to not having issues with diversity. I don't believe football is the only way to have a diverse campus. Nor have I seen the evidence that the students love having a football program (they certainly didn't when I was there). Though, they didn't seem to care much about any sport. I'm sure they have some data on prospective students caring, but as a non-football fan, I just see it as a financial drain. I'll trust you and them that it's worth it. If our conference rivals were still involved, I'd be all in. But in a league with Stetson and San Diego? No thanks.

How do you know if those schools are not dealing with diversity issues?

[yankee]

Dec 18, 2023 6:14:13 GMT -5 fox94 said:

PFL gets Marist national exposure. MAAC football does not.

PFL FB offers larger application pool. Look at the states FB players are from.

FB puts us on PL radar. No FB, does not.

BINGO

[rfalum]

Does the PFL really help the school with exposure? I just looked at the roster and it's not really much different from the school's typical recruiting footprint. Overwhelmingly New England, NY/NJ, and the I-95 corridor down to the DC area, plus kids from Ohio and Georgia. There are no PFL teams in Georgia and there's only one in Florida, and the school brings in a lot of kids from Florida anyway.

But with all of that said, the whole talk of cutting is just not going to happen. I don't even think the program's that much of a financial drain anyway given that it's non-scholarship. Most of those kids on the roster would not be coming to the school - they'd want to play in college. It only probably took 3-4 kids on the roster to cover Parady's salary.

[kjones77]

Dec 18, 2023 22:12:18 GMT -5 rfalum said:

Does the PFL really help the school with exposure? I just looked at the roster and it's not really much different from the school's typical recruiting footprint. Overwhelmingly New England, NY/NJ, and the I-95 corridor down to the DC area, plus kids from Ohio and Georgia. There are no PFL teams in Georgia and there's only one in Florida, and the school brings in a lot of kids from Florida anyway.

But with all of that said, the whole talk of cutting is just not going to happen. I don't even think the program's that much of a financial drain anyway given that it's non-scholarship. Most of those kids on the roster would not be coming to the school - they'd want to play in college. It only probably took 3-4 kids on the roster to cover Parady's salary.

It's non-athletic scholarship. Not non-scholarship.

[maristdb89]

Dec 18, 2023 22:12:18 GMT -5 rfalum said:

Does the PFL really help the school with exposure? I just looked at the roster and it's not really much different from the school's typical recruiting footprint. Overwhelmingly New England, NY/NJ, and the I-95 corridor down to the DC area, plus kids from Ohio and Georgia. There are no PFL teams in Georgia and there's only one in Florida, and the school brings in a lot of kids from Florida anyway.

Does PFL help exposure? Yes, for recruits the PFL is a nice bonus. BUT, the staff doesn't use it. I've been aware of various recruiting efforts and we've often lost kids to PL schools. The financials offer are very similar, so why a PL school v. Marist. If you're a PL kid, enjoy the bus trips thru the mountains of PA/NY to the other PL games. Compared to an airline ticket in FL, NC, CA, etc. "Ever been to Iowa?" Not emphasized by Marist staff. Hopefully this will change.