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Post by maristforward on Mar 12, 2023 19:01:53 GMT -5
but Murray has to adapt to the times ...i know it sounds great to romanticize about the way things were , but we don't need to be living without electricity and driving a buggy .. This is why society has been steadily declining. We give in because others are, so we have to too. But what you don't see it that it Marist athletics who are steady declining. Don't want to participate in NIL - fine, agree to disagree. But Marist has to do something to show the athletes that they are appreciated. There was a post earlier about how low BB spending is relative to the rest of the conference. The athletes in the other sports aren't even getting that - not enough scholarship, not enough coaches, terrible travel arrangements, lousy food budgets, insuffient equipment budgets, understaffed support, and so much more. No matter how wonderful Marist is as a college, if Marist wants win President's Cups, if it wants to attract better athletes and coaches, the school needs to step up its game. |
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Post by fox94 on Mar 12, 2023 20:03:12 GMT -5
Well, I did see Prez Kevin at the game cheering. I am hopeful athletics are about to change for the better
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Post by artdunbar on Mar 12, 2023 22:45:13 GMT -5
Seems to me that yankee is arguing just for argument's sake. If you are saying that you don't think student athletes should be paid anything for their service other than getting a scholarship, that's fine and very noble and righteous of you. Shouldn't the student athletes at Marist be able to make some money for their work, just like any other student working in the cafeteria or any other work study program? I doubt any athlete at any MAAC school would get rich from an NIL club. It's not like Alabama's quarterback or anything like that. I know Fairfield and Siena have started the NIL clubs or whatever its official name is and I'm pretty certain they would not publicize it unless it was looked at from a legal standpoint from people at higher pay grades than yankee or I. We often recruit the same kids as Fairfield and Siena, so when it comes time to make a decision for the basketball player, are they going to decide to go to Marist for no money because Marist basketball record is so much worse than Siena's record during this century or will they choose Siena where they can make some money and be a part of a more successful program of late? Yankee, you have been crying for the administration to DO SOMETHING for the better part of this century and now that it is legal to do SOMETHING, you say you don't want them to do SOMETHING. Marist can afford a good legal team to allow the school to help facilitate an NIL club to form while at the same time, keeping an arms length away or two or however many arm-lengths it takes to keep them out of legal trouble.
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Post by yankee on Mar 12, 2023 23:20:14 GMT -5
Seems to me that yankee is arguing just for argument's sake. If you are saying that you don't think student athletes should be paid anything for their service other than getting a scholarship, that's fine and very noble and righteous of you. Shouldn't the student athletes at Marist be able to make some money for their work, just like any other student working in the cafeteria or any other work study program? I doubt any athlete at any MAAC school would get rich from an NIL club. It's not like Alabama's quarterback or anything like that. I know Fairfield and Siena have started the NIL clubs or whatever its official name is and I'm pretty certain they would not publicize it unless it was looked at from a legal standpoint from people at higher pay grades than yankee or I. We often recruit the same kids as Fairfield and Siena, so when it comes time to make a decision for the basketball player, are they going to decide to go to Marist for no money because Marist basketball record is so much worse than Siena's record during this century or will they choose Siena where they can make some money and be a part of a more successful program of late? Yankee, you have been crying for the administration to DO SOMETHING for the better part of this century and now that it is legal to do SOMETHING, you say you don't want them to do SOMETHING. Marist can afford a good legal team to allow the school to help facilitate an NIL club to form while at the same time, keeping an arms length away or two or however many arm-lengths it takes to keep them out of legal trouble. Your first sentence is kinda snotty to be honest. Rest is fair. I will agree to disagree. Colleges should not be middle men for student athletes to get NIL deals. College is already giving them a scholarship. That is their role. Their role is not to get involved with NCAA sanctioned "legal" money laundering. Student athletes have advisors, family, etc to get NIL deals. |
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 13, 2023 5:49:31 GMT -5
Seems to me that yankee is arguing just for argument's sake. If you are saying that you don't think student athletes should beaeyat Marist be able to make some money for their work, just like any other student working in the cafeteria or any other work study program? I doubt any athlete at any MAAC school would get rich from an NIL club. It's not like Alabama's quarterback or anything like that. I know Fairfield and Siena have started the NIL clubs or whatever its official name is and I'm pretty certain they would not publicize it unless it was looked at from a legal standpoint from people at higher pay grades than yankee or I. We often recruit the same kids as Fairfield and Siena, so when it comes time to make a decision for the basketball player, are they going to decide to go to Marist for no money because Marist basketball record is so much worse than Siena's record during this century or will they choose Siena where they can make some money and be a part of a more successful program of late? Yankee, you have been crying for the administration to DO SOMETHING for the better part of this century and now that it is legal to do SOMETHING, you say you don't want them to do SOMETHING. Marist can afford a good legal team to allow the school to help facilitate an NIL club to form while at the same time, keeping an arms length away or two or however many arm-lengths it takes to keep them out of legal trouble. Your first sentence is kinda snotty to be honest. Rest is fair. I will agree to disagree. Colleges should not be middle men for student athletes to get NIL deals. College is already giving them a scholarship. That is their role. Their role is not to get involved with NCAA sanctioned "legal" money laundering. Student athletes have advisors, family, etc to get NIL deals. Haven't colleges for years sweetened the pot for students with "work study " programs .Its something that when i went to college they game me ..Youre pretending to adhere to the thought that colleges are for education only and are sanctified and haloed . .They make money ,,tons of it .50 60 thousand a year for students ..i think youre missing the point with the middle man argument ..we shouldn't be the middle man ,,but don't get in the way of those that want to do it the way its supposed to be done . |
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Post by ggaff on Mar 13, 2023 6:59:49 GMT -5
Coaches make more money than professors. I have no problem with players getting a little. Thats who we pay to see. Good the prez was there. He didn't respond to my letter but maybe he did read it. When schools do well in sports it benefits the whole school. They have gotten stale and they need a new presence. You see how a three game run gets the good vibes going. Any kid watching that tourney would love Marist. Imagine if they were the top dog. No reason they can't be.
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Post by yankee on Mar 13, 2023 7:25:09 GMT -5
Your first sentence is kinda snotty to be honest. Rest is fair. I will agree to disagree. Colleges should not be middle men for student athletes to get NIL deals. College is already giving them a scholarship. That is their role. Their role is not to get involved with NCAA sanctioned "legal" money laundering. Student athletes have advisors, family, etc to get NIL deals. Haven't colleges for years sweetened the pot for students with "work study " programs .Its something that when i went to college they game me ..Youre pretending to adhere to the thought that colleges are for education only and are sanctified and haloed . .They make money ,,tons of it .50 60 thousand a year for students ..i think youre missing the point with the middle man argument ..we shouldn't be the middle man ,,but don't get in the way of those that want to do it the way its supposed to be done . Where did I say " get in the way"? Marist should not disallow NIL deals, never said that. |
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Post by oldfox on Mar 13, 2023 10:40:43 GMT -5
A couple of articles. One regarding NIL developments in NYS impacting athletes, institutions and businesses or organizations interested in taking advantage of NIL opportunities. The other regarding a court hearing two days from today on a lawsuit claiming that D1 athletes should be considered employees under federal law.
New York Athletic Participation Compensation Act Passed . The broad do’s and don’t and particular responsibilities. With this in place it could be easier for institutions to carve out a prudent and productive role in the NIL landscape. For instance, How to properly interact with your star power forwards NIL agent. Jadin Collins has already signed with an NIL agency. Leo16 posted it back in December in the 2023 Recruiting thread. From SI.com. Should D1 Athletes Be Paid? Johnson v. NCAA hearing schedule for Wednesday, 3/15. The next to last paragraph alludes to where this is headed if the NCAA doesn’t get Congress to act on these issues soon. Reforming the NCAA’s political tin ear is one of the major reasons that Charlie Baker, recent former governor of Massachusetts, a person with substantial political experience and ties, was recently hired as the new NCAA President. The NCAA’s Amateur Model is hanging by a thread and if the right case comes along the Supreme Court maybe ready to cut it. Here is what Justice Kavanaugh had to say about the amateur model in his 2021 concurring opinion in the Alston (NIL) case which the NCAA lost 9-0. Again, from SI.com…..Kavanaugh attacked the circular nature of the NCAA’s argument that athletes’ not being paid is a defining feature of college sports and drew stark analogies to how preposterous the NCAA’s business model would look in other industries: highly violative of antitrust law. Here is one of his many savaging remarks: “Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. … The NCAA is not above the law.” I know. My hair hurts too. |
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 13, 2023 10:53:44 GMT -5
"After failing to take the lead on NIL rule changes, the NCAA is trying to establish itself as the enforcer of existing rules.
The body announced that it considers NIL collectives to be boosters, which makes them subject to NCAA rules prohibiting them from the recruiting process.
Which means the NCAA is on the lookout for wrongdoers. But with some very real caution: some legal analysts say the body could open itself up to an antitrust probe if it tries to punish any school for offering recruiting incentives.
How would that happen? Likely if the NCAA investigates or tries to punish a school, which would almost certainly trigger a lawsuit, and a ruling from a judge on if the NCAA has the legal authority to enforce these rules."
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"Institutional Education and Monitoring
The Guidance clarifies that it is permissible for schools to require student athletes to report NIL deals to their institution. It also indicates that schools are allowed to provide student athletes, boosters, and other entities with NIL-related educational sessions"
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 13, 2023 18:56:50 GMT -5
Haven't colleges for years sweetened the pot for students with "work study " programs .Its something that when i went to college they game me ..Youre pretending to adhere to the thought that colleges are for education only and are sanctified and haloed . .They make money ,,tons of it .50 60 thousand a year for students ..i think youre missing the point with the middle man argument ..we shouldn't be the middle man ,,but don't get in the way of those that want to do it the way its supposed to be done . Where did I say " get in the way"? Marist should not disallow NIL deals, never said that. Your terms "involved " and "laundering" make those implications ...laundering ..to move money that has been obtained illegally through banks and other businesses to make it seem to have been obtained legally....I know people that are staunchly against cell phones and still only use a land line ..If we are going to brag that we are cutting edge about everything else i think we should take a hard look at this (NIL). |
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Post by yankee on Mar 13, 2023 19:06:18 GMT -5
Where did I say " get in the way"? Marist should not disallow NIL deals, never said that. Your terms "involved " and "laundering" make those implications ...laundering ..to move money that has been obtained illegally through banks and other businesses to make it seem to have been obtained legally....I know people that are staunchly against cell phones and still only use a land line ..If we are going to brag that we are cutting edge about everything else i think we should take a hard look at this (NIL). No, I think Marist should have no problem with athletes who get legal NIL deals. I am just saying Marist shouldn't be pursuing them for the player. |
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Post by artdunbar on Mar 13, 2023 21:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by fox94 on Mar 14, 2023 6:53:14 GMT -5
Someone had to remind them they have a program.
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 14, 2023 11:12:44 GMT -5
I'm sure Dunne loved playing against one of the greatest coaches to coach basketball ,,but next year he knows the road will be clear ..no way Iona hires another coach of Pitinos stature ..Like Dunne said ,,he knew what was going to be run at him ..He just didn't have the full tools to match up against his players ..I think Dunne and players did the absolute best they could .It wasn't a 20 point loss game it was really a 6-10 point game and that amazing run where we tied it up ..
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Post by rfalum on Mar 14, 2023 11:20:58 GMT -5
One leftover note from Saturday. Gotta say, our band blew theirs out of the water, even though Art's been retired for a few years now.
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