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Post by shooter on Nov 18, 2019 8:44:39 GMT -5
D3 schools will never, ever, ever, ever, never ever vote to allow a downward classification again, for the exact same reasons they got rid of it 30 years ago.
It's dead, Jim.
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Post by fox94 on Nov 18, 2019 11:02:38 GMT -5
No reason to go extreme. Why don't we start with a simple coaching change?
28 years of bad coaching doe not mean the program does not have potential.
We can compete in the PFL with a good coaching staff.
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Post by maristdb89 on Nov 19, 2019 8:37:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think the coming consolidation of the higher ed world is going to cause serious deliberations on the status of Marist FB and overall athletics in general. Issues associated with the NCAA and pay for student athletes will only add to the necessity to rethink a lot of things. I believe that's at least part of the reason why we're not seeing changes with the FB staff. Why bring in a new staff when the program may not be around in 3 to 5 years.
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Post by fox94 on Nov 19, 2019 9:33:54 GMT -5
I will never come to another event nor donate a dime if that were to happen.
I hope there is enough alumni and supporters that feel the same to prevent that from happening.
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Post by shooter on Nov 19, 2019 9:58:27 GMT -5
I think that's a foolish worry. The college isn't dropping non-scholarship football and losing out on all those tuition dollars.
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Post by nomar33 on Nov 19, 2019 10:14:04 GMT -5
I have said this so many times - Marist has football for one reason and one reason only - to get male applicants. Winning is irrelevant.
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Post by maristdb89 on Nov 20, 2019 9:23:22 GMT -5
Sorry, but it's not foolish when as an ardent FB supporter you're told by senior admin folks that "a storm is a coming". If there is one sport that would be dropped it's FB. Not soccer, not tennis, not lacrosse. I will fight like hell to make sure that doesn't happen but there are quarters within MC that would cut it in a heartbeat.
On tuition and male enrollment, the net on the tuition dollars is what $1.5M, maybe?? 100 male students?? While Marist is non-scholarship there is money going to players. A majority of the team does not pay full price or even half price.
All of this contributes to why the FB staff has not changed and probably won't for awhile.
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Post by nomar33 on Nov 20, 2019 9:49:13 GMT -5
The difference between cutting a soccer, lacrosse, or tennis program is that by cutting football they can manage title IX a lot easier and be in compliance easier.
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Post by maristdb89 on Nov 20, 2019 12:43:37 GMT -5
The difference between cutting a soccer, lacrosse, or tennis program is that by cutting football they can manage title IX a lot easier and be in compliance easier. and there is $1M+ for other sports; reduced risk of legal issues (concussion); etc.
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Post by fox94 on Nov 20, 2019 17:02:11 GMT -5
Well I know where I stand if it does. I hope I'm not alone.
And what is this storm that is supposedly coming?
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Post by shooter on Nov 20, 2019 20:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by oldfox on Nov 20, 2019 20:33:46 GMT -5
Well I know where I stand if it does. I hope I'm not alone. And what is this storm that is supposedly coming? I assume it has to do with fretting over known and unknown consequences of paying student athletes. Stuff like the specter of state and federal government intervention. Going from the tail wagging the dog to the tail eating the dog in relation to institutional control over the athletic department. Will the IRS decide they deserve a cut of the action from this new market based approach to athletics? etc. etc. etc. there are discussions on other boards about this and it ranges from the end of college sports as we know it. To where is this money going to come from? I've seen posters speculate that a business might pay an athlete to endorse or lend their name to a product or that a sneaker company might pay a school for wearing their gear and that is the money that is divided among the athletes. Bottom line is there has to be a tangible return on investment to a business. I'm really straining to think of an athlete at the MAAC level that can provide an ROI to a business that they can't beat by putting an ad in the Sunday paper. I think the only real beneficiaries of this are going to be the individual players who are seen as sure pros and would get an endorsement contract as a pro anyway. I think that's pretty small number. How many businesses or boosters are going to give a MAAC level school $10K so they can outbid a hated rival for a power forward. Not many, and the school would probably prefer the $10k go for new microscopes in a bio lab. Just my .02
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Post by shooter on Nov 20, 2019 21:09:19 GMT -5
I thought "the storm is coming" is more in reference to the declining youth population in the cold weather states. There's an "enrollment cliff" projected to hit I believe in the year 2027 - some have speculated that up to half the nation's private colleges won't survive the next 20-30 years. This was an interesting piece I read today about colleges threatening legal action to stop the reveal of metrics designed to rate their probability of survival. Some professors at Johns Hopkins got hold of the data and will be putting out a book in January. www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/11/19/private-colleges-convinced-company-scuttle-release-list-projected-college-closures
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Post by oldfox on Nov 20, 2019 21:17:46 GMT -5
Shooter, if you haven't already, take a look at the executive summary of Mid-Hudson Pattern for Progress Out of Alignment report on the Hudson Valley. Very sobering and takes a look at school age population projections in the region.
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Post by fox94 on Nov 21, 2019 10:19:03 GMT -5
So we are not going to change the FB coach because the school is going out of business?
I am not sure I understand.
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