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Post by oldfox on Jan 24, 2015 9:46:05 GMT -5
Not sure a JUCO fits into the plans given next year is "ground zero" for the program in terms of the most recent recruiting cycle. A front court transfer might be more likely. If you brought the right guy in this September, they could practice all next season with the team and step in with the guys from Maker's first two classes. I guess it really depends how difficult a time the staff is having securing interest from more competition ready bigs. Which as we know is very difficult for even the most successful MAAC programs.
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Post by yankee on Jan 24, 2015 10:22:41 GMT -5
So, that would be on Maker. I don't think he is going to be a mediocre coach, so I hopeful for better. Again, same question to you. Firing the A.D now would be for what reason? Change for changes sake. The coach is already put into place. I don't see the point or even the reasoning other than us pouting and wanting a pound of flesh for even having such thoughts. Nope, the record is irrelevant. Would be hypocritical to fire him. The AD gets perpetual get out of jail card for the men's program. Why not the coach? Marist should never fire a coach that graduates his players regardless of record. there is no justifying not renewing based on on the court stuff. they are committed to win with 4 year players and making him cook with the other guys groceries for the next 2 years. I don't see where I'm being unrealistic. This team is going to be freshman and sophomore laden until 17-18 anyway. Ok, so what is it that you want? Are you saying they should fire him?
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Post by yankee on Jan 24, 2015 10:27:08 GMT -5
Wow- I thought Siena fans were a tough bunch, you guys are over the top. I know it’s frustrating as a fan when your team isn't performing up to your expectations, But really?? What did you expect? The seeds for this season were laid the last several years by the coaching carousel at Marist. And I won’t even get into injuries , I thought Siena was whacked by injuries the foxes have been decimated by them. Hart still isn't 100%. Maker is a good coach and will bring Marist back. You have some young guys that will improve McClenaghan looks like he will be a player, kid gets his hands on a lot of balls, just isn’t strong enough yet to hold on to them, not surprising in the MAAC big guys usually take a year or two to develop. Have some patience, watch the young guys develop, Foxes are in good hands with Maker, the guy can coach and will bring the foxes back I would have liked this comment except for the first sentence of the post. I agree McClenaghan is a future player. I also believe Momah and Lee are rotation players as well. Maker has already brought in for next year that looks like a ready to play freshman in Parker and has at least 2 more schollies to give. But, I thnk you do have to understand why we may have a lack of patience with how the mens team has performed for about a decade.
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Post by yankee on Jan 24, 2015 10:29:07 GMT -5
We're fine with the Coach. My problem isn't with him or the effort. It's more with the way that it's been a consistent struggle to win the way they go about things. One transfer doesn't work out, go into panic mode. The Coach got put into "time out" over the Cody Joyce thing. Siena's never dealt with this long of a waiting period. Their fans call for heads with 3 straight .500 seasons. You know damn well that's the case SienaTony. My only problem is with the overall way they go about things. Love this coach. But he's going to have to be close to perfect to get them to the top with the way other teams run their programs. I'll give him my 100% support. It's never the coaches. It's the Fantasyland approach. I do like McClenaghan. I like his game. I like Lee. I like Momah. The other thing SienaTony. In the Capital District, the fans know what the AD and Coach's plans are. There is constant communication. They know they have to win. Marist should be at the top. They're at the top of the MAAC as a school. THAT is simply not true. Do you know how close they came to going under the APR standards. Shall I bring up the name Cassiem Drummond? And then we could give a few more examples.
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Post by ggaff on Jan 24, 2015 10:37:53 GMT -5
How many kids were bad were like Drummond??? I have no idea what happened with that. He just never went to class? Whatever. I'm just sick of excuses. The AD and coach need to be partners. His rapport with Magarity, Brady, and Martin wasn't that great. Get on the same page. A former assistant told me he liked the AD but said he didn't really trust him.. I don't know fact from fiction. I just want results.
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Post by yankee on Jan 24, 2015 10:42:14 GMT -5
How many kids were bad were like Drummond??? I have no idea what happened with that. He just never went to class? Whatever. I'm just sick of excuses. The AD and coach need to be partners. His rapport with Magarity, Brady, and Martin wasn't that great. Get on the same page. A former assistant told me he liked the AD but said he didn't really trust him.. I don't know fact from fiction. I just want results. Nice, lets attack his character now? Just ridiculous, but that's wrong gaff. He has done a great job at Marist, is in the community, has done well with what his job description. And now we have to bring up what a former assistant said to you? Come on.
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Post by ggaff on Jan 24, 2015 11:16:53 GMT -5
I didn't say it. I'm just telling you what I was told.. I won't say anything more.. He seems like a nice guy. I'm hoping he's got the right fit with Maker. I don't like anybody getting blasted. Seems to me that people had no problem blasting some of the former coaches though. The only reason I brought it up is it seems strange to me that there has been so much trouble with coaches.. Something's weird..
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 24, 2015 11:37:32 GMT -5
No one started on Martin until year 3 with record accompanied by academics...no one went after Bower until this year because his recruiting class has not impressed
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2015 11:40:05 GMT -5
Drummond was not the only error. What about the other transfer, I can't remember his name, player from France who left after one year to play professional in Europe?
Tim Murray got along with Magarity to the best of my knowledge. He hired Brady & Martin. Maybe the relationship soured after they got here. Brady was using Marist as a stepping stone ONLY. He reached his goal. Martin was also attempting to use Marist as a stepping stone to a higher coaching position. He used some of the recruiting methods and recruited some of the same type students he did when assistant coach at Memphis. Chuck failed to achieve his goal.
I've encountered the AD at places other than McCann Center. He's a really nice guy who seems to get along with everyone; coaches, athletes & fans. Yes he has made some hiring mistakes. But he got this one right. Tim Murray is good for Marist College. And Mike Maker will get this going the way we want if we just be patient.
Please it has been a mess for almost 10 years; it'll take time to repair.
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Post by ggaff on Jan 24, 2015 12:05:39 GMT -5
Daye Kaba?
I think TM has found a good one. I hope they work together towards success. They both have energy. I apologize for the negativity. Just frustrated. He represents the school well. Hopefully, we'll all get some positive results on the court and on the recruiting trail in the near future..
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Post by yankee on Jan 24, 2015 14:02:14 GMT -5
I apologize Ggaff for coming on too strong. I just think Marist is in great hands with the AD position. We are lucky to have someone as passionate as you are to as a fan of this program.
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Post by atlfox on Jan 24, 2015 14:28:35 GMT -5
Drummond was not the only error. What about the other transfer, I can't remember his name, player from France who left after one year to play professional in Europe? Tim Murray got along with Magarity to the best of my knowledge. He hired Brady & Martin. Maybe the relationship soured after they got here. Brady was using Marist as a stepping stone ONLY. He reached his goal. Martin was also attempting to use Marist as a stepping stone to a higher coaching position. He used some of the recruiting methods and recruited some of the same type students he did when assistant coach at Memphis. Chuck failed to achieve his goal. I've encountered the AD at places other than McCann Center. He's a really nice guy who seems to get along with everyone; coaches, athletes & fans. Yes he has made some hiring mistakes. But he got this one right. Tim Murray is good for Marist College. And Mike Maker will get this going the way we want if we just be patient. Please it has been a mess for almost 10 years; it'll take time to repair. AD is good for Marist. Marist has been a mess for almost 10 years. See conflict with those statements?
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Post by ggaff on Jan 24, 2015 15:27:54 GMT -5
Thanks Yankee. The AD loves Marist. I do think he's got a loyal, hard-working guy. I also think Maker has an eye for talent. I was frustrated because they let last night's game get away. They went up 3 and then let Poole go off. Within 2 minutes, the game slipped away. It's so frustrating.
We'll enjoy the recovery more if it's done right. Let's get a damn win though. The players and coach and AD deserve it..
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2015 17:24:17 GMT -5
AD is good for Marist. Marist has been a mess for almost 10 years. See conflict with those statements? AD is responsible for ALL sports not just men's basketball. The Marist men's basketball program has been a mess for almost 10 years. Almost all other sports have been successful the last 10 years or at least the sports the majority of fans care about.
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Post by fox94 on Jan 24, 2015 18:08:45 GMT -5
The CM years were a debacle.
This program has been setback a decade because of them and we are not yet through the decade.
A couple more years and Maker will have this fixed.
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