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Post by yankee on Jan 23, 2015 23:10:39 GMT -5
I'm with you Yankee. So we'll win in YR 3?? That's what was expected of Martin. Will we want to run Maker out if he's 8-22 in Yr 3. I wish they'd have hired him after CM. The Bower year was a total waste. I don't agree with you and the rest of the board on Bower. BUT, even if it was a bad hire, what is the point of making him pay now with his job? What does that do? You would only really have a case to fire him now if you thought this present coach cant hack it. I think we all agree we like Maker.
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Post by ggaff on Jan 23, 2015 23:14:29 GMT -5
I do like Maker. I just think that they've done so much losing that they can't afford to wait three more years to win..
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Post by ggaff on Jan 23, 2015 23:23:22 GMT -5
I guess the caption on the Redfox Site captures my feelings about Marist Sports. "Lewis shines in Marist loss to Siena." He was 7-21. They always sugarcoat Marist's successes. They could go 2-8 in Football and share some sort of title and they talk like it's a good year. They talk big before the season and then go 0-3 out of the gate. After a while, it's hard to stomach. Make a splash. Do something over the top for once. Take a chance. Achieve something of substance.
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Post by yankee on Jan 23, 2015 23:25:18 GMT -5
I do like Maker. I just think that they've done so much losing that they can't afford to wait three more years to win.. Ok, but what does that have to do with the AD now? He doesn't have much control over what is going to happen in terms of player selection, etc the next 3 years. Again, any firing would be retroactive anger almost.
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Post by ctalum on Jan 23, 2015 23:49:56 GMT -5
I don't agree with you and the rest of the board on Bower. BUT, even if it was a bad hire, what is the point of making him pay now with his job? What does that do? You would only really have a case to fire him now if you thought this present coach cant hack it. I think we all agree we like Maker
Have to respectfully disagree with the was all like Maker comment Yankee. I am still waiting to see any kind of postive influence this hire has on the program. We can blame the injuries or the "not his players" however the team is making metal mistakes that are proving costly. Good coaching corrects that however no such correction to date.
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Post by oldfox on Jan 23, 2015 23:50:59 GMT -5
I do like Maker. I just think that they've done so much losing that they can't afford to wait three more years to win.. Ok, but what does that have to do with the AD now? He doesn't have much control over what is going to happen in terms of player selection, etc the next 3 years. Again, any firing would be retroactive anger almost. It's cool. They will be .500 in 17-18. 14-15: 3 wins. 15-16: 1 win 16-17: 8 wins 17-18: 14 wins
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Post by yankee on Jan 23, 2015 23:54:11 GMT -5
Ok, but what does that have to do with the AD now? He doesn't have much control over what is going to happen in terms of player selection, etc the next 3 years. Again, any firing would be retroactive anger almost. It's cool. They will be .500 in 17-18. 14-15: 3 wins. 15-16: 1 win 16-17: 8 wins 17-18: 14 wins So, that would be on Maker. I don't think he is going to be a mediocre coach, so I hopeful for better. Again, same question to you. Firing the A.D now would be for what reason? Change for changes sake. The coach is already put into place. I don't see the point or even the reasoning other than us pouting and wanting a pound of flesh for even having such thoughts.
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Post by oldfox on Jan 24, 2015 0:52:15 GMT -5
It's cool. They will be .500 in 17-18. 14-15: 3 wins. 15-16: 1 win 16-17: 8 wins 17-18: 14 wins So, that would be on Maker. I don't think he is going to be a mediocre coach, so I hopeful for better. Again, same question to you. Firing the A.D now would be for what reason? Change for changes sake. The coach is already put into place. I don't see the point or even the reasoning other than us pouting and wanting a pound of flesh for even having such thoughts. Nope, the record is irrelevant. Would be hypocritical to fire him. The AD gets perpetual get out of jail card for the men's program. Why not the coach? Marist should never fire a coach that graduates his players regardless of record. there is no justifying not renewing based on on the court stuff. they are committed to win with 4 year players and making him cook with the other guys groceries for the next 2 years. I don't see where I'm being unrealistic. This team is going to be freshman and sophomore laden until 17-18 anyway.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Jan 24, 2015 2:02:33 GMT -5
While the talent level stinks on most of the roster any hope of some wins this year lies with Hart getting fully healthy. Not sure that's going to happen this year. He's a shadow of himself right now. He simply can't cut and get into the lane which is his bread and butter for scoring for himself and creating for others. Did you all see that play where he committed the offensive foul? The Hart we know and love goes around that guy for a and1, doesn't crash into him and flip up an underhand runner. On top of his reduced ability to drive his outside shot has totally abandoned him as well right now. Before the injury 15.3 ppg, 46% FG and 39% from three (career). Since the return 9.0 ppg, 28% FG and 2-20 from three. The sad thing is, those second set of numbers STILL make him the third best player on the team right now behind Lewis and Curry.
This is in NO way a criticism of the guy, who at full strength, is the BEST player on the team. Just points out that with a non injured Hart I'd bet Marist wins all of the last three games. If Hart can;t get to at least 90% this year they might run the table in the loss column.
As for next year. We have to wait and see. Maybe a JUCO comes. Maybe some of the bottom of the roster leaves. Maybe Parker and another Maker Freshman come in and play ALL Rookie team good. There are ways of getting 3 or 4 good players in here next year who can contribute right away.
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Post by sienatony on Jan 24, 2015 6:13:13 GMT -5
Wow- I thought Siena fans were a tough bunch, you guys are over the top. I know it’s frustrating as a fan when your team isn't performing up to your expectations, But really?? What did you expect? The seeds for this season were laid the last several years by the coaching carousel at Marist. And I won’t even get into injuries , I thought Siena was whacked by injuries the foxes have been decimated by them. Hart still isn't 100%. Maker is a good coach and will bring Marist back. You have some young guys that will improve McClenaghan looks like he will be a player, kid gets his hands on a lot of balls, just isn’t strong enough yet to hold on to them, not surprising in the MAAC big guys usually take a year or two to develop. Have some patience, watch the young guys develop, Foxes are in good hands with Maker, the guy can coach and will bring the foxes back
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2015 7:51:27 GMT -5
The Red Foxes were tied with the Saints at halftime. They went into a major scoring drought at the start of the second half hence the loss. If not for the scoring drought they played fairly well. But still another loss, may I say to a better team. I only wish Lewis did not feel as though he had to beat Siena by himself.
The current roster was put together mostly by Martin. Yes he brought in Lewis, Hart, Curry & Thomas but he also brought us the recruiting restrictions. The jury is still out on Bower's recruits. Lee, McClenaghan, Momah look like they could contribute in years to come. Haven't seen enough of Colletta or Griffin and seen nothing of Coil to formulate an opinion.
Resurrecting this program may take 3 or more years. After all, Maker may be stuck with this crew for a few more years. I think he needs to sit down at the end of the season with the marginal players on the team and be totally honest with them regarding their future playing time with this team. Hopefully that opens up a scholarship or two next year for MM to bring in better quality players. That said, what HS senior wants to come play basketball at a college that has not won in, How many years? Again this may take 3 or more years.
I believe Marist has finally hired the right guy to bring the Marist Men's program out of the doldrums. Mike will just need time and our patience to turn it around.
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Post by ggaff on Jan 24, 2015 7:54:52 GMT -5
We're fine with the Coach. My problem isn't with him or the effort. It's more with the way that it's been a consistent struggle to win the way they go about things. One transfer doesn't work out, go into panic mode. The Coach got put into "time out" over the Cody Joyce thing. Siena's never dealt with this long of a waiting period. Their fans call for heads with 3 straight .500 seasons. You know damn well that's the case SienaTony. My only problem is with the overall way they go about things. Love this coach. But he's going to have to be close to perfect to get them to the top with the way other teams run their programs. I'll give him my 100% support. It's never the coaches. It's the Fantasyland approach. I do like McClenaghan. I like his game. I like Lee. I like Momah. The other thing SienaTony. In the Capital District, the fans know what the AD and Coach's plans are. There is constant communication. They know they have to win. Marist should be at the top. They're at the top of the MAAC as a school.
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Post by nomar33 on Jan 24, 2015 8:16:57 GMT -5
I think that if someone can really be a game changer whether it be a Juco or DI transfer they will get them... What kills me ggaff is you act as of these "programing changing" or even "an impact" player is going to transfer to Marist. I'm personally amazed when ANYONE signs right now.
Maker knows he is not allowed ANY mistakes in judging talent when signing players...
As of today he does not have a ton of scholarships to work with...that might change at end of year if some kids do decide to leave...that flexibility might allow him to grab a transfer (who can't play for a year anyway) or Juco
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Post by ggaff on Jan 24, 2015 9:05:24 GMT -5
If the player likes Maker and likes the school, why wouldn't they want to come to Marist? They aren't the only school that's hit the skids over the years. I'm hoping that Maker is a trailblazer. The fact that he got Parker is a very good sign. That kid could play at a lot of schools. I would think that kids would be up for the challenge. If the coach is an asset, they'll come there. Like Pearl said. He giftwrapped Lopez. I'm not saying that I want to go that route all the time. But there comes a point where you need to stop the bleeding. If one guy is the right piece, you get him. You can't have things so set in stone all the time. If he gets 2 more Parkers with his last two, I'll be high fiving you Nomar. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't have a career that will be remembered. I just want them to get the corner turned so that kids will see that this is a sleeping giant..
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Post by ken on Jan 24, 2015 9:40:18 GMT -5
I agree ggaff. I'll add that Marist is likely the best educational institution/college in the MAAC. So if a young man is looking to graduate from a highly regarded college and for free just to play basketball for four years then he would choose Marist. The other thing MM has going for him re: recruiting is that he may be able to promise a quality recruit he'd play immediately.
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