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Post by tlippy15 on May 19, 2020 9:49:30 GMT -5
I was thinking majority of students not being on campus and possibly bringing back athletes.
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Post by nomar33 on May 19, 2020 10:11:25 GMT -5
Why just freshman? It would be all classes - and I can not imagine what happens to the 2021 seniors - schools just wouldn't have room to enroll them. Because freshman probably have more leeway to take a year off. Harder if already started at school. Well the parents of sophomores, juniors, and seniors don’t see it that way. They want to defer just the same. The Freshman deferring is the most dangerous (imo). If you have say 300-400 freshman defer then that is 300-400 spots gone for the kids graduating from HS in 2021. If that happens across country then there are gonna be a ton of kids who would have gotten into college be left out. Not to mention another 20% of revenue gone. (The 20% I’m using is based on polls taken)
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Post by yankee on May 19, 2020 11:27:35 GMT -5
Well, open campus then. Life needs to go on.
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Post by rfalum on May 19, 2020 12:04:51 GMT -5
A lot easier said than done. What's the school's plan for testing? What happens if there's an outbreak? What happens if an older professor gets sick? The school doesn't even have a budget set yet because they don't know how many freshmen are showing up and how many returning students are/are not coming back. And knowing DJM, he will be conservative and cautious when it comes to dealing with health. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered that either are not or cannot be right now, but either way this will not be a flip the switch, life needs to go on scenario in the fall where the school just pretends this isn't going on. The spring should be fine from a health standpoint but there will still be an element of rebuilding/picking up the pieces.
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Post by shooter on May 19, 2020 12:09:43 GMT -5
Central Michigan announced this morning they are cutting men's indoor and outdoor track and field, but I think they cut too deep and hit an artery. The reduction leaves them at the FBS minimum 16 sports, but with only 5 for men. D1 requires at least 6. I want to look into this further.
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Post by yankee on May 19, 2020 12:12:56 GMT -5
A lot easier said than done. What's the school's plan for testing? What happens if there's an outbreak? What happens if an older professor gets sick? The school doesn't even have a budget set yet because they don't know how many freshmen are showing up and how many returning students are/are not coming back. And knowing DJM, he will be conservative and cautious when it comes to dealing with health. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered that either are not or cannot be right now, but either way this will not be a flip the switch, life needs to go on scenario in the fall where the school just pretends this isn't going on. If schools are too conservative, they will eventually lose tons of money, if not shut down. There has to be a balance. Our leaders seem to be missing that balance. People are going to get sick. If colleges want to shut down until a cure, thats insanity. Kids need to wear facial coverings. Classes need to be social distanced within reason. If a student gets sick, college should work a deal with one of the ridiculous amount of hotels, to quarantine them. Let those quarantined students work virtually with a plan setup with instructors now. All instructors should be asked to live stream lessons in case this occurs.
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Post by foxfanatic on May 19, 2020 12:49:49 GMT -5
A lot easier said than done. What's the school's plan for testing? What happens if there's an outbreak? What happens if an older professor gets sick? The school doesn't even have a budget set yet because they don't know how many freshmen are showing up and how many returning students are/are not coming back. And knowing DJM, he will be conservative and cautious when it comes to dealing with health. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered that either are not or cannot be right now, but either way this will not be a flip the switch, life needs to go on scenario in the fall where the school just pretends this isn't going on. If schools are too conservative, they will eventually lose tons of money, if not shut down. There has to be a balance. Our leaders seem to be missing that balance. People are going to get sick. If colleges want to shut down until a cure, thats insanity. Kids need to wear facial coverings. Classes need to be social distanced within reason. If a student gets sick, college should work a deal with one of the ridiculous amount of hotels, to quarantine them. Let those quarantined students work virtually with a plan setup with instructors now. All instructors should be asked to live stream lessons in case this occurs. You need to extremely conservative in this situation when there's a global pandemic. I know they're losing money, just like every business, but the government needs to assist this struggling businesses since LIVES are more important than money. You cannot bring back students if there is no vaccine or a vast number of testing because how contagious this disease and you can be contagious for a week or two before displaying symptoms. So if you bring everyone back, and some kid it champ gets it, then basically everyone who was in champ would most likely already have it, and then everyone who went to the dining hall, and so on. The hospital could not accommodate that many infected people so you need to be extremely cautious.
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Post by nomar33 on May 19, 2020 12:54:00 GMT -5
No matter what you do someone IS going to get it. Even when there are vaccines. People will get sick and die from this for rest of our lives.
This was in January - The FluView report, which includes data for the week ending January 11, 2020, indicates that influenza activity remains high, but severity is not considered high at this point in the season.
At this point in the season, CDC estimates indicate that there have been 13 million influenza illnesses, 120,000 hospitalizations, and 6600 flu-related deaths.
This virus in its current state is 10x worse - but we never social distanced for this, never shut down country for this. We just need a better treatment.
There will be a point where continuing to try to save lives now will cause more in the future - imagine unemployment of 12%-14% for an extended period of time, imagine stock market full crash, homeless rates...... life will be unrecognizable.
IMO you open - you protect the best you can - if kids what to defer that is fine but their spots should not be guaranteed.
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Post by yankee on May 19, 2020 13:12:31 GMT -5
If schools are too conservative, they will eventually lose tons of money, if not shut down. There has to be a balance. Our leaders seem to be missing that balance. People are going to get sick. If colleges want to shut down until a cure, thats insanity. Kids need to wear facial coverings. Classes need to be social distanced within reason. If a student gets sick, college should work a deal with one of the ridiculous amount of hotels, to quarantine them. Let those quarantined students work virtually with a plan setup with instructors now. All instructors should be asked to live stream lessons in case this occurs. You need to extremely conservative in this situation when there's a global pandemic. I know they're losing money, just like every business, but the government needs to assist this struggling businesses since LIVES are more important than money. You cannot bring back students if there is no vaccine or a vast number of testing because how contagious this disease and you can be contagious for a week or two before displaying symptoms. So if you bring everyone back, and some kid it champ gets it, then basically everyone who was in champ would most likely already have it, and then everyone who went to the dining hall, and so on. The hospital could not accommodate that many infected people so you need to be extremely cautious. If colleges are allowed to open, government should not be helping private schools. Now, if they are forced to stay closed, different story. This virus isn't just disappearing. When do you propose to have kids back on campus? If you say cure, you might as well say never. If you say vaccine, that's another year at least for safe vaccine. And even if vaccine works, plenty will still get this virus. So, I ask, when would you open campus?
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Post by nomar33 on May 19, 2020 13:33:07 GMT -5
there is plenty who will refuse to take any vaccine
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Post by foxfanatic on May 19, 2020 13:51:47 GMT -5
We can see how opening states slowly works to see if we slow down the spread using masks and the 6 feet apart rule but if by opening the states back up and we see another spike then we will need to shut down again until there is a vaccine. This is most likely going to be like the flu so there probably won't be a cure but a vaccine will greatly help prevent the spread of the disease. I understand some people will refuse the vaccine, which is crazy, but college can require (they already do for some vaccines) to be on campus. If we start to see a spike over the summer due to slowly opening, I don't think you can open campus in the fall because it would be awful to cram a bunch of people from all over the country, some case world, into this one area. It is unfortunate but this is a global pandemic and we need to be careful.
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Post by foxfanatic on May 19, 2020 13:53:16 GMT -5
Hopefully we can soon get a test for the antibodies to actually get an idea of how many people have actually had the disease (since some are asymptomatic) and maybe it turns out most people have had and are immune and we can then reopen everything.
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Post by yankee on May 20, 2020 10:16:34 GMT -5
We can see how opening states slowly works to see if we slow down the spread using masks and the 6 feet apart rule but if by opening the states back up and we see another spike then we will need to shut down again until there is a vaccine. This is most likely going to be like the flu so there probably won't be a cure but a vaccine will greatly help prevent the spread of the disease. I understand some people will refuse the vaccine, which is crazy, but college can require (they already do for some vaccines) to be on campus. If we start to see a spike over the summer due to slowly opening, I don't think you can open campus in the fall because it would be awful to cram a bunch of people from all over the country, some case world, into this one area. It is unfortunate but this is a global pandemic and we need to be careful. So, if a vaccine takes 2 years, we shut down life for 2 years? People won't survive that. Families won't survive that.
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Post by yankee on May 20, 2020 10:18:50 GMT -5
Hopefully we can soon get a test for the antibodies to actually get an idea of how many people have actually had the disease (since some are asymptomatic) and maybe it turns out most people have had and are immune and we can then reopen everything. No-one has actually said that one is immune if they have had it. Society needs to open up, with precautions. Thank go we had stronger leaders when the flu and other outbreaks occurred. We have no leadership anywhere right now,
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Post by foxfanatic on May 20, 2020 12:39:14 GMT -5
I'm not saying shut down everything, I'm saying it is a terrible idea to start flying people all around the country to get to college and give the disease an easy outlet to spread. Online learning is not ideal, but it is possible.
The fact we don't know if people are immune after that had it shows more of a reason we need to be cautious. I'm saying we should be able to test for antibodies before a vaccine comes out, and if we find that a lot of people have it then we can start to feel more comfortable opening stuff up.
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