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Post by nomar33 on Mar 11, 2020 8:23:08 GMT -5
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 11, 2020 8:29:11 GMT -5
Wish article was more along lines of tweet
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fox94
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Post by fox94 on Mar 11, 2020 8:31:58 GMT -5
TM needs to go.
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Post by redfoxfan102 on Mar 11, 2020 9:18:58 GMT -5
There's no excuse to be this bad, year in and year out...especially considering how bad this conference has become. It's pathetic. It's inexcusable. Watching SPU come in and get the 2nd seed...AFTER WE HIRED AWAY THEIR COACH. It should make everyone at McCann sick to their stomach. There is no accountability. 12 years have gone by since a winning season. 12 years. Entire classes have come and gone without getting a hint of a winner.
TM needs to go. I don't know if this program can be salvaged. I tried to come into this year with some hope...but to go 7-23 with a lousy schedule, a lousy MAAC...it certainly feels like the end of my rope with this program. If the program is to be saved...it starts with TM getting the axe.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Mar 11, 2020 9:52:50 GMT -5
I think theres enough in place that with THREE really good recruits this team can be MUCH better next year. But putting that aside I agree with nomar and redfoxfan102 on the overall statement.
The condition of the program over 12 years is hard to fathom. Its also hard to fathom how anyone involved with it (all the way up Im talking) has their job still. The athletic department needs a full overhaul. Its time. There are very few instances where its good for any program or institution to have the same leadership for 20-30 years. Its good to refresh. Especially when 2 of your 3 biggest sports (MBB and Football) suck beyond belief. With a good new direction both of those programs could be turned around while maintaining WBB success and easily maintaining the success in the less publicized sports as well.
The problem is the institution doesnt care itself. Thats why this has gone on so long. MBB and sports in general is a grain of sand in the Marist equation. Thats why regardless of the above tweet and our feeling on the subject, the only way this will change is with a good coach who leverages good recruiting connections. Dunnes going to have to do this with the overall state of the program as is
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Post by gafox on Mar 11, 2020 10:34:03 GMT -5
Yankee must be busy - we havent seen his TM isnt the basketball manager comment yet. Seriously RF, I agree with your comments. Improvement almost entirely rest with the coach. Dunne is a defensive coach, and he did a good job with that the past 2 years. I think most people would agree that Offense is harder to teach/improve. So, offense isnt the coaches strength. Our current players are weak offensively. Our recruiting is marginally improving. Historically we play a really easy schedule and in a weak conference. We are good defensively. That feels like incremental improvement is in our future. If incremental equals 3 more wins a year, I wonder if fans are ok waiting 3 years to get above .500 (10-20, 13-17, 16-14)
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Post by tlippy15 on Mar 11, 2020 11:46:28 GMT -5
We really better hope Victor Enoh is better than expected
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Post by fox94 on Mar 11, 2020 11:50:09 GMT -5
The program ceiling was achieved under Magarity. What a monumental disaster since.
What the H was TM thinking when he fired him?
TM owns it and needs to go because of it.
Parity should be told to pack right afterwards. I've never seen someone out-coached week in and week out the way he is.
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Post by yankee on Mar 11, 2020 15:39:17 GMT -5
Disagree. But that is what debate is for. |
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Post by yankee on Mar 11, 2020 15:43:08 GMT -5
There's no excuse to be this bad, year in and year out...especially considering how bad this conference has become. It's pathetic. It's inexcusable. Watching SPU come in and get the 2nd seed...AFTER WE HIRED AWAY THEIR COACH. It should make everyone at McCann sick to their stomach. There is no accountability. 12 years have gone by since a winning season. 12 years. Entire classes have come and gone without getting a hint of a winner. TM needs to go. I don't know if this program can be salvaged. I tried to come into this year with some hope...but to go 7-23 with a lousy schedule, a lousy MAAC...it certainly feels like the end of my rope with this program. If the program is to be saved...it starts with TM getting the axe. Marist women's program has another shot at ncaa tourney bid. If AD gets blame for men, you can't take credit from him for women. Now saying that, the success of the women's program is because of the great efforts of giorgis. Time for men's coaches to do their job. I still believe Dunne will make us a winner. I do think TM has done a poor job hiring men's basketball coaches. I know I am not perfect in my job either. His overall resume as AD is good imo. |
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Post by yankee on Mar 11, 2020 15:45:16 GMT -5
Yankee must be busy - we havent seen his TM isnt the basketball manager comment yet. Seriously RF, I agree with your comments. Improvement almost entirely rest with the coach. Dunne is a defensive coach, and he did a good job with that the past 2 years. I think most people would agree that Offense is harder to teach/improve. So, offense isnt the coaches strength. Our current players are weak offensively. Our recruiting is marginally improving. Historically we play a really easy schedule and in a weak conference. We are good defensively. That feels like incremental improvement is in our future. If incremental equals 3 more wins a year, I wonder if fans are ok waiting 3 years to get above .500 (10-20, 13-17, 16-14) You needed to put me on blast for my opinion? I haven't blasted any of the TM naysayers. Grow up young man. |
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Post by yankee on Mar 11, 2020 15:48:27 GMT -5
The program ceiling was achieved under Magarity. What a monumental disaster since. What the H was TM thinking when he fired him? TM owns it and needs to go because of it. Parity should be told to pack right afterwards. I've never seen someone out-coached week in and week out the way he is. In hindsight, you say this about magarity. To be honest, the fan base didn't hate that firing at the time. Now, after all the stink, we woukd take that mediocrity again. |
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Post by ggaff on Mar 11, 2020 17:29:15 GMT -5
I just think that if Tomaselli is right, why the hell hasn't TM gone to the powers that be and had a serious discussion about what's needed? Isn't that his job? And if you don't care, don't have sports programs. They are supposed to help the school, not hurt the school. In my opinion the loss of revenue over a decade was enough to clean house. That's inexcusable. They always cheap out too. That's what bothers me. If FF can build a new arena, Marist could. They always take the half ass approach to sports. TM is lucky Marist has a WBB fan base. Trust me, if they weren't winning, they'd be like any other school in the MAAC. 500 fans.
I like Dunne. Give him the resources he needs. And TM needs to get someone to help market the program. The attendance problem is on him. A new AD would bring a breath of fresh air. It's stale.
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Post by yankee on Mar 11, 2020 17:49:20 GMT -5
Fans don't come because a new AD is hired. They come when the coaches bring in good recruits and win.
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Post by oldfox on Mar 11, 2020 17:52:03 GMT -5
It would help if the students demanded more winning as a point of College pride. The administration would have to at least listen, but by the looks of student attendance at both the men and women’s games the admins won’t be hearing from the students anytime soon.
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