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Post by ctalum on Mar 5, 2020 20:12:59 GMT -5
Herasme made A huge jump this year. We can see big jumps next year from others as well. I am only expecting a 5 PT, 5-6 rebound type of player in Enoh. Byrd will help, but not a savior fteshman year. Incremental improvements needed going forward. Dunnes job is to get red foxes to respectability. He is on the way. He has installed the defensive mindset and system. Now the talent infusion is next step. I am curious what your definition of respectability is
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Post by yankee on Mar 5, 2020 21:16:08 GMT -5
Herasme made A huge jump this year. We can see big jumps next year from others as well. I am only expecting a 5 PT, 5-6 rebound type of player in Enoh. Byrd will help, but not a savior fteshman year. Incremental improvements needed going forward. Dunnes job is to get red foxes to respectability. He is on the way. He has installed the defensive mindset and system. Now the talent infusion is next step. I am curious what your definition of respectability is Get to .500 first. Then stay there and above. I have never claimed Dunne is going to be a starcoach. To me he is a bridge. He gets us back to magarity and hopefully slightly better (maac title within next 4 years). Then when we hire his replacement in 10 years or so, good candidates will be in play. It is simply where Marist is. He will get us to a level we need to be considered a good place to be for the next guy. If he gets us 1 or 2 maac titles in 12 years or so, huge improvement. I am not expecting 14, 15 maac win years every year. But I do think he will get us 10, 11, 12 regularly in a 20 game schedule.
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Post by maristdad on Mar 5, 2020 21:35:45 GMT -5
I am curious what your definition of respectability is Get to .500 first. Then stay there and above. I have never claimed Dunne is going to be a starcoach. To me he is a bridge. He gets us back to magarity and hopefully slightly better (maac title within next 4 years). Then when we hire his replacement in 10 years or so, good candidates will be in play. It is simply where Marist is. He will get us to a level we need to be considered a good place to be for the next guy. If he gets us 1 or 2 maac titles in 12 years or so, huge improvement. I am not expecting 14, 15 maac win years every year. But I do think he will get us 10, 11, 12 regularly in a 20 game schedule. I agree. Dunne had success at SPU, so maybe expected too much too soon...it doesn't transfer so easily or quickly. I think Hakim Byrd is the guy to watch - not scrounging on the transfer board, Dunne two seasons settled into the job, his first "real" recruit. If he makes a difference, then we're on our way up; otherwise, more of the same. This would apply to Enoh too, but to a lesser extent, because the point guard is most needed.
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Post by ctalum on Mar 5, 2020 22:16:31 GMT -5
Get to .500 first. Then stay there and above. I have never claimed Dunne is going to be a starcoach. To me he is a bridge. He gets us back to magarity and hopefully slightly better (maac title within next 4 years). Then when we hire his replacement in 10 years or so, good candidates will be in play. It is simply where Marist is. He will get us to a level we need to be considered a good place to be for the next guy. If he gets us 1 or 2 maac titles in 12 years or so, huge improvement. I am not expecting 14, 15 maac win years every year. But I do think he will get us 10, 11, 12 regularly in a 20 game schedule. I agree. Dunne had success at SPU, so maybe expected too much too soon...it doesn't transfer so easily or quickly. I think Hakim Byrd is the guy to watch - not scrounging on the transfer board, Dunne two seasons settled into the job, his first "real" recruit. If he makes a difference, then we're on our way up; otherwise, more of the same. This would apply to Enoh too, but to a lesser extent, because the point guard is most needed. The expectation item is the one i have been struggling with. For me, major disappointment so far however wanted to look beyond the emotion so did a little research on Dunne. 14 years as a HC in the MAAC MAAC regular season record of 105-157 which equates to an avg of 7.5 wins and 11.2 losses per year. (only a small variation from what we have seen in 2 yrs). Avg finish in the MAAC regular season: 7th place. This next one is the most telling (and troubling) Number of seasons with a MAAC regular season record of .500 or better: 4I do not anticipate this will change any opinions (glass half full or empty with Dunne) however my expectations have been muted as I am seeing a coach with a mediocre conference record in a lower level D1 conference.
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Mar 6, 2020 5:39:09 GMT -5
Mediocre coaches just don't go to the Big Dance ,,they just don't .Masiello's not mediocre nor is Cluess .. and if u check his teams in the tournament ,, there's been several times when they've played in the 3rd game in the MAAC tournament . After Maker it was a darn safe hire and we all know we needed that .A few less boneheaded plays this year and our record could be much different ..I'll reserve judgement on if this is a disappointing season when the season ends ...Lets hope for a Niagara loss tonight ..nothing like playing a team that you've beaten twice already this year .as St. Peters knew when they played us last year in the tournament .
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Post by ggaff on Mar 6, 2020 6:29:12 GMT -5
I feel like Cubbage was like two different players. Great first game. Lull. Looked great for a stretch of 5 or so games at the 3/4 pole and then finished slow. When he was good, he had much more energy and penetrated to take the short j. Hopefully, that can be the norm. Maybe worn down??
Same for Matt. A lot of minutes.
The guy that needs to really have a good off season is Tyler St Furcy. We see flashes, but he has to clean things up and develop the ability to shoot off the bounce. I'm not sure about Tyler Sagl. Strictly a spot up shooter.
I'm with D2 on Dunne. Just needs the horses. I would figure that kids would want to play for him. I always felt like his teams got the most out of their ability. I thought he'd be able to get good talent at Marist and things would take off. I do like Byrd. Enoh certainly has the look. Jones has very nice ability. Love Bell. Have to get at least one guy to be a star out of the last two. They have the complimentary pieces. But you can't win with just those. They aren't good enough to get 15 every night.
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Post by yankee on Mar 6, 2020 8:35:32 GMT -5
I feel like Cubbage was like two different players. Great first game. Lull. Looked great for a stretch of 5 or so games at the 3/4 pole and then finished slow. When he was good, he had much more energy and penetrated to take the short j. Hopefully, that can be the norm. Maybe worn down?? Same for Matt. A lot of minutes. The guy that needs to really have a good off season is Tyler St Furcy. We see flashes, but he has to clean things up and develop the ability to shoot off the bounce. I'm not sure about Tyler Sagl. Strictly a spot up shooter. I'm with D2 on Dunne. Just needs the horses. I would figure that kids would want to play for him. I always felt like his teams got the most out of their ability. I thought he'd be able to get good talent at Marist and things would take off. I do like Byrd. Enoh certainly has the look. Jones has very nice ability. Love Bell. Have to get at least one guy to be a star out of the last two. They have the complimentary pieces. But you can't win with just those. They aren't good enough to get 15 every night. Great points. Sagl game will look so much better when he can get paired with a penetrating PG who can dish it back for open 3's.
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Post by thoops46 on Mar 6, 2020 8:51:07 GMT -5
I hate to be a downer but Dunne went out of his way to make the point that Enoh is not a savior, he'll be a solid post in the M.A.A.C. but don't be fooled by his 3 star rating coming out of H.S., not what I wanted to hear. Also unless St. Furcy makes a big jump in all aspects of his game he's a net negative, and Sagl is a tweener, too short or slow to guard most 3's and he can't get a contested 3 off as a SG. These 2 guys need to be recruited over with the incoming class, he needs to hit home runs not doubles.
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Post by yankee on Mar 6, 2020 9:02:32 GMT -5
I hate to be a downer but Dunne went out of his way to make the point that Enoh is not a savior, he'll be a solid post in the M.A.A.C. but don't be fooled by his 3 star rating coming out of H.S., not what I wanted to hear. Also unless St. Furcy makes a big jump in all aspects of his game he's a net negative, and Sagl is a tweener, too short or slow to guard most 3's and he can't get a contested 3 off as a SG. These 2 guys need to be recruited over with the incoming class, he needs to hit home runs not doubles. We have to realize home run hitters aren't coming here until we get back to respectability Dunnes defensive philosophy will make it easier to get there as he plugs in talent. I still think Marist should look into getting a recruiting specialist assistant to help.
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 6, 2020 9:06:52 GMT -5
We have 5 offers out (at least according to VC - (of course there could be more), which of those offers do you feel are "program changers" ? (that is what we are looking for correct?)
Chad Venning 6'10" Brooklyn, NY - offers UMass, UC Davis, Manhattan
Mohamed Wague 6'9" Bamako Mali - number of A10, MAAC and Northeast conference offers
Noah Hutchins 6'0" Buffalo NY - some BCS offers - so are we a real option? Would he be considered a game changer - or would he just wind up taking min from Byrd?
Nicholas Boyd 6'3" Garnerville NY - offers Tulsa, Sacred Heart, and Florida Atlantic
Marty Silvera 6'1" Worcester MA - UMass, Missouri St., and 5 other MAAC schools
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Post by nomar33 on Mar 6, 2020 9:08:04 GMT -5
please describe who is a "a recruiting specialist assistant" - what makes them better than our current recruiters?
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Post by thoops46 on Mar 6, 2020 9:26:58 GMT -5
I hate to be a downer but Dunne went out of his way to make the point that Enoh is not a savior, he'll be a solid post in the M.A.A.C. but don't be fooled by his 3 star rating coming out of H.S., not what I wanted to hear. Also unless St. Furcy makes a big jump in all aspects of his game he's a net negative, and Sagl is a tweener, too short or slow to guard most 3's and he can't get a contested 3 off as a SG. These 2 guys need to be recruited over with the incoming class, he needs to hit home runs not doubles. We have to realize home run hitters aren't coming here until we get back to respectability Dunnes defensive philosophy will make it easier to get there as he plugs in talent. I still think Marist should look into getting a recruiting specialist assistant to help. When I talk about home run recruits it's in a relative sense, I'm talking about 350 ft. homers not a 450 ft. bomb, Byrd is a HR for Marist just need 2 or 3 more.
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Post by yankee on Mar 6, 2020 9:29:34 GMT -5
please describe who is a "a recruiting specialist assistant" - what makes them better than our current recruiters? Jared grasso for example. Marist can't afford that type, but someone along those lines.
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Post by leo16 on Mar 6, 2020 9:30:57 GMT -5
Sagl and St. Furcy will be fine.
Sagl led all MAAC freshman in scoring, and was 3rd in 3-pt percentage among freshman with at least 50 attempts. He's listed at 6-5 / 200, Funk was 6-6 / 190. He shot better than Funk did as a freshman as well. He also had more steals this year than Funk ever had in a season, and playing fewer minutes. He might end up a sixth man and not a starter, but haven't seen a reason why he couldn't excel there.
St. Furcy ended tied for the freshman lead in steals with 34. He was 5th in 3-pt percentage among freshman (36%). He had 14 blocks too, more than 6-10 freshman Jacco Fritz. St. Furcy needs to cut down on turnovers and improve at the line. The foundation is there though.
Some other notable freshman stats:
Gary Harris (SIE) 11 assists and 25 turnovers
Armon Harried (CAN) shot 33% from 2 and 24% from 3
Darryl Banks (SPU) shot 35% from the field, 30% from 3
Fritz (CAN) and Estrada (SPU) led MAAC freshmen with 56 turnovers each.
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Post by yankee on Mar 6, 2020 9:31:40 GMT -5
We have 5 offers out (at least according to VC - (of course there could be more), which of those offers do you feel are "program changers" ? (that is what we are looking for correct?) Chad Venning 6'10" Brooklyn, NY - offers UMass, UC Davis, Manhattan Mohamed Wague 6'9" Bamako Mali - number of A10, MAAC and Northeast conference offers Noah Hutchins 6'0" Buffalo NY - some BCS offers - so are we a real option? Would he be considered a game changer - or would he just wind up taking min from Byrd? Nicholas Boyd 6'3" Garnerville NY - offers Tulsa, Sacred Heart, and Florida Atlantic Marty Silvera 6'1" Worcester MA - UMass, Missouri St., and 5 other MAAC schools So, let's hear your solutions. You seem to just want to blast what we are right now. Fine. But then I give a suggestion of a recruiting assistant. You respond with "what is that"?. What do you think will help?
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