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Post by marist1 on Feb 24, 2020 17:02:01 GMT -5
We tend to forget that recruiting in May is extremely difficult. Not many coaches here had a great first class because its so late in the process and there's not much out there except red flag players. That's why you can't be so quick to want to dump a new coach. Dunne has it going in the right direction - even if the record is not what you want.
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Post by hoopsguy123 on Feb 24, 2020 19:51:43 GMT -5
Imo, wrong and right in your post. Bower ended up a bad hire because of the timing. He ended up signing too many players instead of being patient for better players. It was then compounded because an nba team respected bowers basketball intellect to give him about 4 times what he was making at Marist. No-one would turn that down, and bower didn't. Bower had a history at Marist, had been an NBA coach and evaluated tons of college players as an NBA GM and personel guy. It was a good hire that ended up horrific because of circumstances. Anyone blasting bower on this board needs to know he knows more about the game than all of us combined. I do agree with you about Dunne being a good hire. I don't disagree. But I think what makes it "a bad hire" isn't that he didn't know basketball, what made it a bad hire is that the AD needed to see through the BS. Bower didn't want the Marist Head Coaching job, he just needed any job and this was the job he was able to get. A good AD would see through it a little better and not hire someone who was going to bolt at the first opportunity to leave.
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Post by yankee on Feb 24, 2020 20:03:26 GMT -5
Imo, wrong and right in your post. Bower ended up a bad hire because of the timing. He ended up signing too many players instead of being patient for better players. It was then compounded because an nba team respected bowers basketball intellect to give him about 4 times what he was making at Marist. No-one would turn that down, and bower didn't. Bower had a history at Marist, had been an NBA coach and evaluated tons of college players as an NBA GM and personel guy. It was a good hire that ended up horrific because of circumstances. Anyone blasting bower on this board needs to know he knows more about the game than all of us combined. I do agree with you about Dunne being a good hire. I don't disagree. But I think what makes it "a bad hire" isn't that he didn't know basketball, what made it a bad hire is that the AD needed to see through the BS. Bower didn't want the Marist Head Coaching job, he just needed any job and this was the job he was able to get. A good AD would see through it a little better and not hire someone who was going to bolt at the first opportunity to leave. I just don't think bower thought he would get such a great opportunity in nba again. It was perfect storm. His buddy van Gundy hired him. No-one and I mean moone, unless super rich would turn down nba GM money to stay as a lower level d1 head coaching job.
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Post by hoopsguy123 on Feb 25, 2020 8:59:43 GMT -5
I don't disagree. But I think what makes it "a bad hire" isn't that he didn't know basketball, what made it a bad hire is that the AD needed to see through the BS. Bower didn't want the Marist Head Coaching job, he just needed any job and this was the job he was able to get. A good AD would see through it a little better and not hire someone who was going to bolt at the first opportunity to leave. I just don't think bower thought he would get such a great opportunity in nba again. It was perfect storm. His buddy van Gundy hired him. No-one and I mean moone, unless super rich would turn down nba GM money to stay as a lower level d1 head coaching job. I'm not saying he should have turned down nba money. It's very clear you like Bower and that's fine. I don't have ill-will towards him. His hiring was a mistake - He never should have been hired (in my opinion) because he didn't really want the job - he just needed a job and the Marist gig was one he could get.
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Post by yankee on Feb 25, 2020 15:57:45 GMT -5
I just don't think bower thought he would get such a great opportunity in nba again. It was perfect storm. His buddy van Gundy hired him. No-one and I mean moone, unless super rich would turn down nba GM money to stay as a lower level d1 head coaching job. I'm not saying he should have turned down nba money. It's very clear you like Bower and that's fine. I don't have ill-will towards him. His hiring was a mistake - He never should have been hired (in my opinion) because he didn't really want the job - he just needed a job and the Marist gig was one he could get. But you are making assumptions he didn't want the job, aren't you?
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Post by hoopsguy123 on Feb 26, 2020 9:51:29 GMT -5
Educated guess. All the other times that Marist had a coaching vacancy he never pursued it. Then all of a sudden he gets fired and "ohmigod he loves Marist so much, this is home, I have such a strong affinity for this place." Even though if we went back and checked the books I doubt he ever came to a game or donated money to Marist.
We got conned by a guy who needed a paycheck for a year. We were a stop gap and its embarrassing. And AD should have seen through it.
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Post by yankee on Feb 26, 2020 19:39:39 GMT -5
Educated guess. All the other times that Marist had a coaching vacancy he never pursued it. Then all of a sudden he gets fired and "ohmigod he loves Marist so much, this is home, I have such a strong affinity for this place." Even though if we went back and checked the books I doubt he ever came to a game or donated money to Marist. We got conned by a guy who needed a paycheck for a year. We were a stop gap and its embarrassing. And AD should have seen through it. You doubt, educated guesses? Come on.
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Post by hoopsguy123 on Feb 27, 2020 15:31:16 GMT -5
Educated guess. All the other times that Marist had a coaching vacancy he never pursued it. Then all of a sudden he gets fired and "ohmigod he loves Marist so much, this is home, I have such a strong affinity for this place." Even though if we went back and checked the books I doubt he ever came to a game or donated money to Marist. We got conned by a guy who needed a paycheck for a year. We were a stop gap and its embarrassing. And AD should have seen through it. You doubt, educated guesses? Come on. Didn't realize you were so tight with the guy. HEre are some quotes from the hvmag.com interview with him when he got hired. On coming back: “We found the area to be different after all that time away. But what we needed is different now, too. Obviously our first point of reference was schools.” On family time: “Obviously, we hope to be able to take advantage of our upstate property even more now that we are so close. But we love to travel. We’ve done some great trips. I had some flexibility last year prior to taking this position, and we took advantage of it. My daughter wanted to go skiing so we figured we’d give it a try and go to Park City, Utah. This is when we were still living in New Orleans. Not a lot of hills in the bayou.” Had some flexibility because you got let go by New Orleans 3 years earlier. I don't understand why you can't see this as well. Guy needed a job. Pulled at ADs heart strings. Sold him on some BS. Stole some checks and wasted the best talent we've had in a while. And by wasted I mean wasn't able to capitalize on their talent to recruit. Literally the only good thing he did was help Adam Kemp get into the NBA summer league. So I will say beyond a doubt that he never visited Marist while he was away. And I'd bet a lot of money that he never donated anything to Marist. Do you disagree? Or you just gonna stick up for your boy because he has a connection to Magarity?
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Feb 27, 2020 15:54:05 GMT -5
I don't know what good all the Bower bashing does ,there are plenty of coaches ,,plenty that if they had a great first year as coach or they got offered another oppurtunity that would leave for the right situation and i wouldn't blame them .. Maker wasn't left high and dry ,he had some pieces ..we couldn't get him to leave ..Can't we say it was shitty of him to not forego his last 2 years of his contract because he could sit on his A$$ for the last 2 years and collect 600,000..u wanna talk about Bower not contributing to the school , or so u think ..But what about the guy who left and cost us 600 grand for nothing . I can feel your frustration ...but how about Paulus ,he takes over a team right before the start of the season cause the coach got fired ..and does his best to put up a respectable team ..u don't think that in a year or even this year he'll become a hot commodity ..Can't ever blame someone for trying to better their own and families life by making a good financial decision .
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Post by fox94 on Feb 27, 2020 15:59:04 GMT -5
All good, TM is still employed.
Parity and TM must have incriminating photos of board members.
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Post by foxfaithful on Feb 27, 2020 16:23:09 GMT -5
"I don't know what good all the Bower bashing does" - but Maker is fair game? So you are the one on the board who gets to decide who we can and can not criticize?
Yeah I am sure you would be the first one to give up $600K when you got fired from a job.
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Feb 27, 2020 17:14:21 GMT -5
"I don't know what good all the Bower bashing does" - but Maker is fair game? So you are the one on the board who gets to decide who we can and can not criticize? Yeah I am sure you would be the first one to give up $600K when you got fired from a job. U are one sick puppy ,..Bower gave us our money's worth , and i'm sure there was a buyout on top of that . Different situation with both of them ..Bower was here for a year and can't see how he set the program back .and being accused of being a con man ? ridiculous .far differrent than a guy that was here for 4 and did his recruiting from a video player on his desk.. Im not deciding anything on the forum , you seem like you have severe problems .and some kind of beef with me ..scary stuff ..
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Post by yankee on Feb 27, 2020 17:40:10 GMT -5
You doubt, educated guesses? Come on. Didn't realize you were so tight with the guy. HEre are some quotes from the hvmag.com interview with him when he got hired. On coming back: “We found the area to be different after all that time away. But what we needed is different now, too. Obviously our first point of reference was schools.” On family time: “Obviously, we hope to be able to take advantage of our upstate property even more now that we are so close. But we love to travel. We’ve done some great trips. I had some flexibility last year prior to taking this position, and we took advantage of it. My daughter wanted to go skiing so we figured we’d give it a try and go to Park City, Utah. This is when we were still living in New Orleans. Not a lot of hills in the bayou.” Had some flexibility because you got let go by New Orleans 3 years earlier. I don't understand why you can't see this as well. Guy needed a job. Pulled at ADs heart strings. Sold him on some BS. Stole some checks and wasted the best talent we've had in a while. And by wasted I mean wasn't able to capitalize on their talent to recruit. Literally the only good thing he did was help Adam Kemp get into the NBA summer league. So I will say beyond a doubt that he never visited Marist while he was away. And I'd bet a lot of money that he never donated anything to Marist. Do you disagree? Or you just gonna stick up for your boy because he has a connection to Magarity? Lol. You and your assumptions. Now you want to make a bet on an answer you don't even know. Pure character assassination on your part. Be better,
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