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Post by foxtrot on Feb 20, 2020 12:08:01 GMT -5
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe that the new staff has recruited most of the players on the current roster.. except for the big Swedish center. So I don’t understand when people on this board say that we have to wait for them to get their own players ? Am I missing something?
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Post by foxfanatic on Feb 20, 2020 13:23:24 GMT -5
I think Dunne is the guy to right the ship but there are some people who I think are overhyping him. He won 1 title in 10 years at St Pete's. Other than that he has been a very average coach but honestly I'll take that. 1 title every year is a huge step up since we haven't won one in 35 years. We are not going to turn into Cluess and Iona IMO but I think Dunne will get us to a competitive level we haven't seen in a while. Yes these players are all his, but they are young and inexperienced. Give him another year are two and then we will know what to expect from him
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Post by yankee on Feb 20, 2020 16:08:38 GMT -5
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe that the new staff has recruited most of the players on the current roster.. except for the big Swedish center. So I don’t understand when people on this board say that we have to wait for them to get their own players ? Am I missing something? You know he can't wave a magic wand and get great players right away after a decade of putrid basketball, of 25 plus years of no conference titles. Let's not be naive sir. But his recruits so far are showing they are d1 players. Huge improvement. Let's see if he can up the level of recruits going forward. I trust he can.
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Post by fox94 on Feb 20, 2020 16:10:02 GMT -5
There is no reason this program cannot compete in the MAAC. The only thing holding us back is our own self inflicted ineptitude.
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Post by foxtrot on Feb 21, 2020 11:14:39 GMT -5
How am I being naive ? I was just pointing out that when people suggest that the problem is the new coach has to get his players in, and he already has, that there must be another problem... maybe we should say they we have to wait till the new coach gets his players in that are good enough, then we will win.
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Post by foxfanatic on Feb 21, 2020 12:09:21 GMT -5
I think the reason people are being harsh on Dunne is because theyve seen this before and are scared we will see it again. This freshman class reminds me of Maker's first class the problem is this has no one like Hart. Everyone on this team is at the same experience minus a few guys so down the stretch you need to rely on guys who don't have that experience. Where in 2015-2016, Khallid could do anything and everything on the offensive end and we saw that many nights. One of Maker's problems was he never got complementary pieces to go with that first class of his. Sjoberg was the only guy he got the year after as a freshman and he also got Mitchell and Dozic. Dunnes staff seems to love Byrd so hes already off to a better start in the second class and let's hope he can add 2 nice pieces with the last 2 scholarships. I get that all of these guys on the roster are Dunne guys but they are all in year 1 or 2 of the system, so give them time. Yes we should have won some more OOC games, and MAAC games but give it. Dunne is a good coach, not a mastermind who can change our entire program in a span of 2 years. Give him just a little more time.
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Post by yankee on Feb 21, 2020 16:01:11 GMT -5
How am I being naive ? I was just pointing out that when people suggest that the problem is the new coach has to get his players in, and he already has, that there must be another problem... maybe we should say they we have to wait till the new coach gets his players in that are good enough, then we will win. Takes time building a program that hasn't won a conference titles since the 80's. His recruits all show promise or d1 capabilities.
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Post by ctalum on Feb 21, 2020 16:56:52 GMT -5
Sorry to be the rain on the parade.
The argument was that Dunne is an experienced coach in the MAAC however was handicapped at St. Peters by the area of the school, facilities etc. Just wait until he got to Marist which has so much more to offer.
In looking at the standings St Pete's is tied for 1st in the MAAC, coached by a 1st time D1 HC and the team is being lead by a group of freshmen new HC recruited at the purported place tough to recruit to.
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Post by foxfanatic on Feb 21, 2020 17:18:34 GMT -5
Sorry to be the rain on the parade. The argument was that Dunne is an experienced coach in the MAAC however was handicapped at St. Peters by the area of the school, facilities etc. Just wait until he got to Marist which has so much more to offer. In looking at the standings St Pete's is tied for 1st in the MAAC, coached by a 1st time D1 HC and the team is being lead by a group of freshmen new HC recruited at the purported place tough to recruit to. I agree with this. I don't think Dunne is going to make us into a power but he can make us competitive year in and year out once he gets settled a little more which is something that is an upgrade for us. St. Peter's success could mean Holloway gets swooped up by another school. When Dunne was hired, we said this was good because he isn't this young hot shot coach that will leave after 3 years.
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Feb 21, 2020 17:31:21 GMT -5
Sorry to be the rain on the parade. The argument was that Dunne is an experienced coach in the MAAC however was handicapped at St. Peters by the area of the school, facilities etc. Just wait until he got to Marist which has so much more to offer. In looking at the standings St Pete's is tied for 1st in the MAAC, coached by a 1st time D1 HC and the team is being lead by a group of freshmen new HC recruited at the purported place tough to recruit to. I've said before ,,Holloway is a rock star recruiter ,great college player ,,made some good money as a pro overseas ,,..some potential recruits look at all that stuff . and he's turning into a very fine coach ..Dunne is a very ,very good coach ..1 trip to the dance ..won a cit ..and good through his years ,,very few of his years were st.peters one and done in the Maac tournament ..maybe next week ill look into that ,,too busy this week...all in know is when u played st. peters in the maac tournament .u had to give it your all ..its hard to keep up a cluess type dynasty ,,ask Masiello ..It's what we need ..it's what we asked for ..now some of the players have to do their thing ..and as for Dunne not leaving if he gets success ...$$$$ has a way of changing peoples minds ,,not that i would blame him for that .. I see Nomar 33 is liking all these anti Dunne posts or posts marginalizing him ,,but this is the same guy that still sleeps with a Mike Maker picture next to his pillow .
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Post by nomar33 on Feb 21, 2020 19:46:14 GMT -5
You are just too stupid to realize everything ct posted was 100% accurate
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Post by fox94 on Feb 21, 2020 20:11:38 GMT -5
I think Maker was the worst of the bad hires of the TM error.
I can’t believe how poor he recruited after his first class.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Feb 21, 2020 23:23:07 GMT -5
I think Maker was the worst of the bad hires of the TM error. I can’t believe how poor he recruited after his first class. Jeff Bower would like you to remember the recruiting job he did with his SIX scholarships in his one year of pretending to be a DI coach.
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Post by hoopsguy123 on Feb 24, 2020 11:24:35 GMT -5
I think Maker was the worst of the bad hires of the TM error. I can’t believe how poor he recruited after his first class. Jeff Bower would like you to remember the recruiting job he did with his SIX scholarships in his one year of pretending to be a DI coach. I have been incredibly harsh on Maker and his staff that recruited via youtube. But Bower was the worst hire. It was a complete embarrassment when it started- He hadn't worked in college in almost 20 years. Was fired by the Hornets and then gets a D1 head coaching job? In any real college that has a president and board that cares about athletics that disaster would have cost the AD his job. If Marist had hired a real coach who had that roster (Khalid Hart, Chavaughn, Kemp) would have won some games and had some momentum in recruiting. Instead he spent the whole year coaching for fun while he tried to find an NBA job. That said, I'm happy with the direction of things under Dunne. The combination of Coaching and recruiting is the best it has been in a long long while.
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Post by yankee on Feb 24, 2020 16:36:43 GMT -5
Imo, wrong and right in your post. Bower ended up a bad hire because of the timing. He ended up signing too many players instead of being patient for better players. It was then compounded because an nba team respected bowers basketball intellect to give him about 4 times what he was making at Marist. No-one would turn that down, and bower didn't. Bower had a history at Marist, had been an NBA coach and evaluated tons of college players as an NBA GM and personel guy. It was a good hire that ended up horrific because of circumstances. Anyone blasting bower on this board needs to know he knows more about the game than all of us combined.
I do agree with you about Dunne being a good hire.
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