gafox
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Post by gafox on Feb 14, 2020 22:07:08 GMT -5
I was going to post this after a win so Yankee wouldnt have to get upset about someone raining on the parade. But then I thought, what the heck - go ahead and post cause truth is truth regardless of spin. Lately the vast majority of posts have been positive and if someone was new to the board, they might come away thinking the foxes are a decent team. Well they arent and havent been for over a decade. In fact they have been horrendous for a long time. Their winning percentage since the 08-09 season is 27. Their percentage this year is 27. Guys, they lost tonight to the 9th place team in one of the worst conferences in the nation, at home. Their latest coaching answer has a career winning percentage under 40. Feel free to 'educate' me on the challenges Dunne faced at SPC but if he was as good as many of you think, he would have landed a better job than Marist and much sooner. This doesnt mean that I think Dunne is a bad coach. I just dont think he's nearly as good as many of you think. Which gets to the heart of my beef with many on this board. Your expectations are incredibly low. I want Marist to be a good team but what incentive does the school have knowing that they can field a bad team and the fans will be satisfied. And for those that want to tell me about players effort, I would tell you that they are supposed to play with effort. I am not a participation trophy kind of guy. Show me meaningful results. As fans, we get what we expect. We should be expecting much, much more.
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Post by yankee on Feb 14, 2020 22:11:14 GMT -5
You have 6 posts. All negative. Congrats on wanting to be miserable. Dunne is only in his 2nd year. He is not going to pay for all the crap before him. It is that simple. There is noticeable progress in that we at least have a legitimate defensive system. Now just have to get in more players. And SURE you didn't post this after a loss on purpose.
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gafox
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Post by gafox on Feb 14, 2020 22:13:53 GMT -5
Confirmed my post
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Post by nomar33 on Feb 14, 2020 22:25:19 GMT -5
That was a fantastic post - there is zero getting around that they ARE indeed a 6-16 team with one of the weakest schedules in the history of schedules. You can all be positive when someone gets a rebound or makes a three - you can pull out that one good stat from game to game. You read some peoples posts and one would think we have already turned a corner. We have not.
Maybe Enoh will be the answer for a big, maybe Byrd is the next Calvin Murphy - but right now today - this team looks no different then any other Marist team I have watched the last 10 years
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leo16
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Post by leo16 on Feb 14, 2020 22:27:40 GMT -5
I think there's a difference between supportive posts and satisfaction with a team's record. I'm not going to hold Dunne or the current players accountable for the last 15 years.
The team started 1-11 and is 5-5 in their last ten. Progress starts somewhere, especially with underclassmen. A lot of the posts a month and half ago thought we'd be lucky to win 3 games total.
Yeah, we lost to one of the worst teams in the MAAC...a week ago we beat a team tied for first — that's just how the conference is right now.
Free throw shooting, scoring, and overall flow of the offense is improved from earlier this year.
If they go 0-7 to finish the year that's a problem. If they play even .500 ball it's a positive step.
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Post by foxfanatic on Feb 14, 2020 22:35:49 GMT -5
I see both sides of the coin here. We shouldn't be praising them after every win but at the same time I think it's ok to point out improvement in the younger players. Dunne has had more success over the past 10 years than Marist has seen and he basically haf to start from scratch since none of Maker's players knew defense. We knew this team would have issues getting the ball in the hoop but the defense is there. I agree .400 should not be our expectation but its better than .270. You can't just turn around to like .800 overnight, baby steps. Maybe it's just the Jets fan in me but I guess I'm just used to slow rebuilds that usually turn into nothing.
I think realistically we can win the MAAC but that is solely due to how bad the conference in. With that said, I would not bet a penny on them winning.
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Post by yankee on Feb 14, 2020 22:43:35 GMT -5
Point is the original poster flat out called out Dunne. That is a clear statement he is pinning all of this on Dunne. Which is simply flat out wrong. Simple. He said this, " Feel free to 'educate' me on the challenges Dunne faced at SPC but if he was as good as many of you think, he would have landed a better job than Marist and much sooner." Then he tried to fluff it up with his next sentence. The past dread of Marist basketball is not on Dunne. If Gafox thinks he was just going to be able to recruit top players coming off so many years of bad basketball, that is the RIDICULOUS expectation. Dunne has brought us a defensive system. Now lets hope he can get in some better players to improve the offense. And YES, I will praise the effort. Because it is flat out there every game. True Marist fans know that has not been a case often.
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gafox
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Post by gafox on Feb 14, 2020 22:45:08 GMT -5
As a Jets fan, I understand your pain.
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Post by yankee on Feb 14, 2020 22:45:27 GMT -5
And I know where this is going to go next:)
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Post by d2basketballwatcher on Feb 14, 2020 22:45:46 GMT -5
This was a very disappointing loss ,,the only way to get over it is with a win against a surging Iona team away . Getting a bye was within their grasp , we can't let that slip away .
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Post by yankee on Feb 14, 2020 22:47:05 GMT -5
As a Jets fan, I understand your pain. Honest question. If you truly are a Marist fan, why only 6 negative posts. Why not 1 post after a Marist win? Didnt have to be calling the program great. But makes no sense to ONLY look for the negative.
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Post by yankee on Feb 14, 2020 22:49:08 GMT -5
GAfox, you found no problem posting in game threads where Marist lost. In fact you posted in a thread where Marist got beat by St. Peters. But when Marist throttled St. Peters, nary a GAfox post.
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gafox
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Post by gafox on Feb 14, 2020 22:50:35 GMT -5
I will when I'm impressed
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Post by yankee on Feb 14, 2020 22:55:55 GMT -5
I will when I'm impressed St. Peters win wasnt impressive. Again, a true fan can find a kind comment about the team they root for at some point. You have specifically posted all negative. Go ahead, no one will stop you. But it will be pointed out when such a glaring pattern occurs. Have a nice day GAfox. Lets go foxes.
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Post by Red Fox 5 on Feb 14, 2020 23:06:17 GMT -5
This current group gets another year to get this right. As others have said Dunne isnt responsible for the poor job by CM and the disastrous jobs by Bower and Maker. Next year is his 3rd recruiting class and he will add Byrd, Enoh and hopefully another or 2 to Heramse, Sagl, St Furcy, Jones, Bell and Cubbage. If this team can continues to play .500ish down the stretch it will be interesting to see how much progress they make with those 6 key returners being joined by at least Enoh and Byrd. We HAVE to believe that Enoh and Byrd will be more productive than the guys who left/are leaving in Sjoberg, Hines and Turner. If they arent than we already know the verdict on next year and it isnt good.
The beginning of this season was as big of a trainwreck as I can remember. Brutal ball vs brutal competition. But something definitely changed 10 games ago. 5-5, 2 shots away from 7-3. The MAAC is down but I still believe its better competition than the Army's VMI's, Navy's, Columbia's and Citadel's of the world.
If they close the season 5-4 or something like that (including the tourney), thats enough for me to be very positive about next season. And by positive I mean expecting a .500 to .600 MAAC and overall record with the hope that top of the league is one year after that.
Now if they close the year 1-7 it erases all this better stuff we've seen in the middle and we're back to NEEDING Byrd to basically be a savior.
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