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Post by fox94 on Mar 15, 2013 8:08:34 GMT -5
Poughkeepsie Journal saying Marist is not going to use an outside agency to lead the search.
Uh Oh
Why not spend some extra dough to minimize the risk of another bad hire?
They MUST get this hire right.
Will they interview whoever Siena interviews and maybe a few others they dig up on their own?
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Post by oldfox on Mar 15, 2013 10:23:46 GMT -5
Poughkeepsie Journal saying Marist is not going to use an outside agency to lead the search. Uh Oh Why not spend some extra dough to minimize the risk of another bad hire? They MUST get this hire right. Will they interview whoever Siena interviews and maybe a few others they dig up on their own? Siena's gonna pay a lot more for a coach than Marist will. Athletics at Siena now hold the same stature as quality education, resourses (development) and diversity in their 5 year strategic plan. I'm not sure its even mentioned in Marist's and, I'm willing to bet that it's not emphasised Siena style in the plans of any other MAAC Schools. Athletics is now a major component of the Siena brand and they are pretty much compelled to treat it that way financially. Of course, plans alone won't guarantee that Siena next coach will be their best hire ever, or that Marist is doomed to never contending again. Siena simply has made an institutional commitment to have much more riding on their hire. For Marist, I hope the last 5 years have been a bit of a wake-up call regarding how they approach the men's program. Heck, even insanely loyal fan out here like us need to win every once and a while. ;D
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Post by fox94 on Mar 15, 2013 10:47:43 GMT -5
Sounds as if Siena will be actively seeking new conference affiliation?
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Post by oldfox on Mar 15, 2013 11:07:13 GMT -5
Sounds as if Siena will be actively seeking new conference affiliation? That's pretty much the way the fans interpret the new direction.
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Post by ggaff on Mar 15, 2013 17:09:36 GMT -5
That's what I thought as well Fox 94... Damn it. Get someone with brains to make this hire.
Don't talk like you want to win. Do what's needed. Why spend money on facilities and then not get the coach you really want because of $100,000. Siena paid Mitch roughly $225,000 a yr. Don't spend millions on a facility and then cheap out on a coach. That would be just plain stupid.. Martin did leave the next coach in great shape. Spend the money, make the sport a priority and get Marist's name where it belongs...
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Post by oldfox on Mar 15, 2013 19:45:06 GMT -5
Amedio column on the differing approaches that Siena and Marist will take in hiring their next head basketball coach. Generally an interesting take until the Giorgis comment which, while accurate, is misleading given Giorgis ran a program that was nationally known at the time he was hired. The implication that they might consider a high school coach for the men's program silly. www.maacbball.blogspot.com/2013/03/siena-marist-look-for-new-coaches-in.html
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Post by ggaff on Mar 15, 2013 23:40:16 GMT -5
We only paid CM $175,000?. No wonder why nobody wants to coach there. What a joke. Either up the ante or go down to the lowest level. That's pathetic... They only paid Brady $130,000??? No wonder why he had to leave. Once again . W don't have a chance if they cheap out. Unbelievable.
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Post by tb on Mar 16, 2013 6:13:53 GMT -5
I do think the 175 estimate is low, I am pretty sure cm was closer to 220, I do know for a fact Brady nearly Tripled his salary. We would all make the same move he did. Marist needs to step it up this time.....1. Pay more than competitive salary 2. No 6 yr contracts 3. Competitive salaries for assts. 4. Get it right this time
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Post by ggaff on Mar 16, 2013 7:02:18 GMT -5
I thought they had upped Brady with the new deal. I'm right with you tb. Don't act like a little guy if you want to play with the big boys. An extra $100,000 makes all the difference. It's nothing in the financial scheme of things. Hell, by not winning, they easily lost $100,000 + per yr in revenue by having an empty McCann. I'm sick of hearing that they can't pay what Siena pays. Marist almost doubles their enrollment. That's millions of dollars a yr even with grants, etc
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Post by ggaff on Mar 16, 2013 7:08:03 GMT -5
Murray says they invested a lot in the program. News flash. You need a coach that can make the improvements a worthwhile investment... The money will be paid back through a dominant program. One guy on the the MAAC Board said Marist was a sleeping giant. I've always thought that. It would be if they took the approach that wanted to be a giant...
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Post by petagay77 on Mar 16, 2013 11:58:25 GMT -5
Damn ggaff, You've been on a war path the last 4 weeks! Haha. JK .. But you are def making your feelings / frustrations known! I understand and agree w/ many of your points sir!
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Post by pearl777 on Mar 16, 2013 13:47:31 GMT -5
Oldfox you made light the other day about marist bringing in a hs coach. Lincoln hs in bklyn just won there 8th nyc psal championship playing in one of the hardest hs conferences in the country. I believe coach Tiny also has a chance to win his 4th or either 5th state chip. Dude is a legend period. To get someone like him who runs a nationally recognized aau program and has ties to under armour marist would turn to possibly one of the top mens bball programs in the east. Knowone would recruit nyc like him and he is a proven winner. For the money being offered its the smartest direction to go. Once the alum looked into tiny's success and what he would bring to marist it's a no brainer.
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Post by ggaff on Mar 16, 2013 14:33:00 GMT -5
I am frustrated Petagay... We deserve a winner!!!! It's been a long five yrs and Marist fans deserve a championship team and a perennial title contender. We hung in there and the administration needs to give us a winner
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Post by hoopsguy123 on Mar 16, 2013 19:22:56 GMT -5
OK generally I respect what you say Pearl but Tiny could never coach at this level. At Lincoln he gets all the best talent to move there based on the tradition that started before he got there. I am not trying to knock what he does but he wins with talent and guts which coney island kids have a lot of. I agree he could help Marist with the NYC recruits but he could not be hired to rebuild this program. I would not mind seeing him in the recruiting role. In my mind he is another Chuck Martin a great guy who can recruit.
Also I understand why they are not hiring an outside agency to help with the hire Murray has a short list heck he has had two years to put it together.
Lastly, until we pay we will not get the big name but there are plenty of guys out there that could make this situation work. If it was my money I hire a guy who has coached at the College Level DI, DII, or DIII, and has won.
I may be wrong about the Tiny thing but I really wouldn't want to take that chance if I was Tim Murray this is an important hire for his career here.
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Post by oldfox on Mar 16, 2013 20:15:46 GMT -5
Oldfox you made light the other day about marist bringing in a hs coach. For the most part the tone of my comment was a frustrated reaction to Amedio trying to equate hiring Giorgis a decade ago to lead the women's program, to where Marist finds itself today with the the Men's. Hiring a guy who has never coached at the college level is way to risky for the AD after Chuck didn't work out on the heels of the awful parting with Brady. (It really doesn't matter who was at fault any longer). Like HG123 proposed its important to bring in a motivated guy with with some college head coaching experience this time. Just because the men have struggled, doesn't mean the college doesn't support the program. Marist probably spent more on athletic facility improvements during the last 5 years than did any other MAAC school. The majority of it was spent on amenities focusing on the player and coaching spaces, technology and amenities. Everything is in place for them to take a step in a positive direction on the court, with, of course, the right person at the wheel.
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